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Man Utd penalty was a pen, Mbemba had his arm in unnatural position and blocked a attempt at goal by Fellaini.

 

Tackle on Janmaat was a pen

 

Foul by Smalling was a pen.

 

Fellaini could have had two yellows, cant say Dean had a bad game tbh.

 

 

Just before the Janmaat tackle, Fellaini grabs Colback, obvious second yellow.

Smalling should have been off at the end when he grabbed Mitrovic when we were counter attacking.

Rooney somehow not getting booked for his foul.

Definite free kick from the push from Fellaini after that free kick was taken and another penalty incident just after that.

 

Very good game from Dean if you're a Man U supporter.

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Man Utd penalty was a pen, Mbemba had his arm in unnatural position and blocked a attempt at goal by Fellaini.

 

Tackle on Janmaat was a pen

 

Foul by Smalling was a pen.

 

Fellaini could have had two yellows, cant say Dean had a bad game tbh.

The Man Utd penalty was ball to hand from about a yard, had Mbemba touches the ball before Fellaini did then yes it's a penalty.
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Imo Fellaini deserved to be off for persistent fouling, obvs red for Lingard on the pen we didn't get, and Herrera, on a yellow, tripped Wijnaldum as we were attacking, sending him skidding into the pass meant for a teammate, successfully stopping the break. Standard.

 

:lol: And they're whining. They should have finished with 8, Lingard went on to score and we're missing a penalty. I declare this 4-2 to us at least. Mbemba's had an aberration, don't know wtf he was doing waving his arm about.

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Never thought there'd be a point where I'd agree with Garth fucking Crooks of all people, but that clip where he talks about Mike Dean wanting to be the centre of attention is just bang on. I can't stand the cunt.

 

Man U's pen was very fortunate, Mbemba's arm was in a natural position as he's falling back - but had he been in the correct position in the first place we could have avoided the scenario altogether.

 

Stonewall pen for us either missed or turned down.

Fellaini and/or Smalling should have been off.

Rugby tackle on Toney was a penalty for me, if Darmian (?) leaves him he probably isn't getting to that ball, but he's got no eyes on the ball and focuses purely on wrestling him to the floor.

 

If you ask me, Man Utd missed chances - but so did we and we had to play against the referee as well so all this shit from their side about 2 points dropped is a fucking crock. If anything, we were the side that dropped the points.

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Man Utd penalty was a pen, Mbemba had his arm in unnatural position and blocked a attempt at goal by Fellaini.

 

Tackle on Janmaat was a pen

 

Foul by Smalling was a pen.

 

Fellaini could have had two yellows, cant say Dean had a bad game tbh.

 

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx

 

The law is 'handled the ball deliberately'.

 

Regardless of whether his arm was up, how could he have intentionally handled the ball considering he was looking the other way and it was headed directly on to his arm from no more than 20cm away?

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

A lot of Ashley lies included in this

 

"Ashley cleared the NUFC debt"

"Pardew did well under tough conditions"

 

etc

 

The more it's repeated, the more it becomes generally accepted, despite it being complete bollocks.

 

 

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125)

 

Handling the ball

 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

consideration:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

infringement

 

 

In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125)

 

Handling the ball

 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

consideration:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

infringement

 

 

In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick

 

Am I going blind, but where is unnatural position in that guidance? It's not the idea that I think is bollocks, just that term

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125)

 

Handling the ball

 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

consideration:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

infringement

 

 

In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick

Where is unnatural position mentioned in the rules or interpretation of them?

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125)

 

Handling the ball

 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

consideration:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

infringement

 

 

In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick

 

Well done. You've just completely contradicted your own argument by trying to support it.

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That is guidance to decide whether it was deliberate. Whether it's deliberate is the deciding factor, that's what the referee has to judge.

 

There's no "he didn't mean it but he had his arm out, so it's a pen". Those are points to consider when deciding if he handled the ball on purpose, which he quite clearly didn't.

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Surely this stems from defenders jockeying strikers in the box - with their arms outstretched. They are therefore attempting to block the space between attacker and goal and that can therefore be interpreted as deliberate should the ball strike the arm.

 

Clearly not the case with this incident where you'd be extremely hard pressed to make a case that it was deliberate in any sense.

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Put it this way, If Mbemba's was a hand ball for a unnatural position of the arm then so was Dummetts when he blocked a shot (when Fellaini got booked). Nothing less natural than an arm being on the floor

Well not when the player is also on the floor

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Who first came up with the 'unnatural position' argument anyway? It sounds like something that someone who people perceive as being cool said and has now stuck, despite sounding and being bollocks.

 

A bit like 'red lines' that seemed to come from nowhere in the lead up to the general election.

 

Or in simple terms, someone said something once, everyone else is to thick to realise that it is bollocks and just repeats it.

 

Ita not bollocks at all, its not a law but its guidance on interpreting law 12 (page 125)

 

Handling the ball

 

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with his hand or arm. The referee must take the following into

consideration:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)

• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)

• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an

infringement

• touching the ball with an object held in the hand (clothing, shinguard, etc.)

counts as an infringement

• hitting the ball with a thrown object (boot, shinguard, etc.) counts as an

infringement

 

 

In yesterday case Mbemba has prevented Fellani from having a header at goal or to another Man Utd player. His arm was above his head which is an unnatural position and this its a foul and a penalty kick

 

How on earth have you quoted that and reached that conclusion.

 

'Handling the ball involves a deliberate act' Probably don't need to say anymore than that. However:

 

'The distance between the opponent and the ball'

 

'The position of the hand does not necessarily mean there is an infringement'

 

 

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