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Three months to save the NHS'

 

Labour leader Ed Miliband is calling on the public to join a three-month campaign to kill off the government's controversial NHS reforms as pressure mounts on David Cameron to withdraw the coalition's flagship health and social care bill from parliament.

 

Ahead of a crucial week for the health secretary, Andrew Lansley, during which the bill will return to the Lords where it can expect a further mauling, Miliband describes the plans as a dangerous "leap in the dark" that will impose a "free market free-for-all" on the NHS.

 

With much of the medical profession now opposed to the plans and Downing Street increasingly concerned, Miliband says an effective cross-party campaign in parliament, backed by patients, could deliver Lansley's plans the last rites.

 

"It is not too late to stop this bill," Miliband says in an article for the Observer. "We have three months to prevent great harm being done to the NHS. Now is the time for people of all parties and of none, the professions, the patients and now peers in the House of Lords to work together to try to stop this bill." The worst option, he argues, would be to press on with a bill just so that the government can save face.

 

Ominously for the government, Labour, Liberal Democrat and crossbench peers are discussing joint strategies to torpedo further elements of the bill when it begins its report stage in the Lords on Wednesday."

 

 

Gondor must not fall.

 

 

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Three months to save the NHS'

 

Labour leader Ed Miliband is calling on the public to join a three-month campaign to kill off the government's controversial NHS reforms as pressure mounts on David Cameron to withdraw the coalition's flagship health and social care bill from parliament.

 

Ahead of a crucial week for the health secretary, Andrew Lansley, during which the bill will return to the Lords where it can expect a further mauling, Miliband describes the plans as a dangerous "leap in the dark" that will impose a "free market free-for-all" on the NHS.

 

With much of the medical profession now opposed to the plans and Downing Street increasingly concerned, Miliband says an effective cross-party campaign in parliament, backed by patients, could deliver Lansley's plans the last rites.

 

"It is not too late to stop this bill," Miliband says in an article for the Observer. "We have three months to prevent great harm being done to the NHS. Now is the time for people of all parties and of none, the professions, the patients and now peers in the House of Lords to work together to try to stop this bill." The worst option, he argues, would be to press on with a bill just so that the government can save face.

 

Ominously for the government, Labour, Liberal Democrat and crossbench peers are discussing joint strategies to torpedo further elements of the bill when it begins its report stage in the Lords on Wednesday."

 

 

Gondor must not fall.

 

 

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Should have said Osgilliath as it was the last line of defence. Once it fell it left Gondor open to attack from Mordor.... ok I'll stop now :coat:

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So can anyone explain what's happening without Parky spin or Government spin?

 

In basic terms, the current government are going against thier promises in the run up to the last election that they didn't win and fucking with the NHS.  Something they have no mandate to do.  Basically, what they've been doing since they got into power just short of two years ago.

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So can anyone explain what's happening without Parky spin or Government spin?

 

In basic terms, the current government are going against thier promises in the run up to the last election that they didn't win and fucking with the NHS.  Something they have no mandate to do.  Basically, what they've been doing since they got into power just short of two years ago.

 

Plus they are evil bank supporting, money grabbing, priveledged nancy boy scum. ;)

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So can anyone explain what's happening without Parky spin or Government spin?

 

Parky spin is lush man! :lol:

 

:lol: :lol:

 

I like it, but its like reading the Daily Mail x10 minus the racism.

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So can anyone explain what's happening without Parky spin or Government spin?

 

They're lining up to sell off open up for competition parts of the NHS that they believe can be profitable.  Even the parts that might not be too bad on paper could turn out to be massive pay-days for private companies, GP provisioning sounds OK but doctors barely have enough time to see patients as it is, now they're going to be asked to be accountants too.  Doctors will have to bring in management companies to deal with those parts of their roles.

 

Yet again we'll simply be giving cash to a for-profit company to do the same job that's being done by the state now and expecting them to be more "efficient", which will probably mean hiring the same people already doing those jobs to continue to do so but on lower wages whilst management take a cut, probably ultimately offshoring those jobs to take even more money out of the economy of the country save even more cash for shareholders.

 

You can see what's likely to happen by looking at Royal Mail.  They've been gradually defunded whilst the best and easiest parts of the business have been opened up to the private sector - Royal Mail still have to do the hard parts that the private sector don't care about, like covering every postcode, not just ones in the cities.  Now they're talking about a complete sell off and raising the price of postage to make it more attractive to the private sector even though they've been denying Royal Mail's requests to raise postage prices to cover costs for years.  They'll do the same to the NHS too in the long run, starve it whilst private companies take over the easiest more profitable parts, defund the other parts even more and eventually sell them off to the private sector to "rescue".  We'll still retain a health service, we'll still pay the same (if not more) for it, but someone will be in the middle taking a cut - see Rent Seeking.

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The Royal Mail's mandated services are an industry in decline. Low costs of postage are maintained by subsidy while a nominally private company tried to manage the forces of strong unions, a massive pensions deficit while supposedly being in place to turn a profit. The NHS is an irreprlacable key service on which we all depend.

 

The effective privatisation of the NHS would be a spectacular own-goal. It's not like some piss-poor council who are too busy arranging committees to get anything one and can be easily replaced by a business with a modicum of brain, this is a vital service staffed by generally underappreciated and underpaid staff. Remove the 'burden of duty' of the public sector and you're looking at higher wage costs- not less. Massive increase in demands for staff and (arguably deserved) pay rises for hospital staff- all of which needs to be paid for. Spiralling health costs which the government can't content with, flung back on the general public and those who can afford it get it. Bosh, job done.

 

Education and health are two area which should not be used for social engineering, but the current lot are keen on both it seems.

 

Cameron was (not) elected on a strong pro-NHS platform. He should kill this bill now before it severely damages his own government. He'll need to put his own backbenchers into line.

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So can anyone explain what's happening without Parky spin or Government spin?

 

They're lining up to sell off open up for competition parts of the NHS that they believe can be profitable.  Even the parts that might not be too bad on paper could turn out to be massive pay-days for private companies, GP provisioning sounds OK but doctors barely have enough time to see patients as it is, now they're going to be asked to be accountants too.  Doctors will have to bring in management companies to deal with those parts of their roles.

 

Yet again we'll simply be giving cash to a for-profit company to do the same job that's being done by the state now and expecting them to be more "efficient", which will probably mean hiring the same people already doing those jobs to continue to do so but on lower wages whilst management take a cut, probably ultimately offshoring those jobs to take even more money out of the economy of the country save even more cash for shareholders.

 

You can see what's likely to happen by looking at Royal Mail.  They've been gradually defunded whilst the best and easiest parts of the business have been opened up to the private sector - Royal Mail still have to do the hard parts that the private sector don't care about, like covering every postcode, not just ones in the cities.  Now they're talking about a complete sell off and raising the price of postage to make it more attractive to the private sector even though they've been denying Royal Mail's requests to raise postage prices to cover costs for years.  They'll do the same to the NHS too in the long run, starve it whilst private companies take over the easiest more profitable parts, defund the other parts even more and eventually sell them off to the private sector to "rescue".  We'll still retain a health service, we'll still pay the same (if not more) for it, but someone will be in the middle taking a cut - see Rent Seeking.

 

The private sector is notorious especially in the UK for easy pickings and rent seeking, whilst eschewing the basic concepts of creating new ventures and making like for like profits from thier own investment and risk taking. Rent seeking as you say is one of thier scams. Locusts basically with connections within the right wing heirachy of pet Govt stooges and other pixie faced scum. See the water industry and rail for past scything of profits from sectors built from public money and maintained by the Govt purse. Where the NHS is concerned though this time it will be war. The notions and history of public healthcare is at the very heart and soul of what England is all about. It will be war.

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Shortly after Southern Cross is revealed as an emphatic private sector failure in caring for the elderly the government states that all public services are now 'fair game' to be opened up to private corporations short of investment opportunities.

 

Both Marx and David Harvey warn about the creative destruction which takes place during economic crises as private investors experience surplus capital absorption problems - with the structural problems in the British economy there simply aren't enough profitable opportunities for the vast swathes of private and financial capital to continue to grow at 3% PA.

 

The role of national and local government is thus becoming staedily transformed away from providing municipal and socal services to facilitating further investment opportunities for private capital - look at the profits made by G4S and other large scale private providers through taking over services that were previously the responsibilty of the state.

 

The Government has made it clear that they are determined to take on the public sector unions in one last great conflict with organised labour. This drive toward privatisation has also made clear by their refusal to negotiate with unions on the viability of public sector pensions in the education and health sectors and their point blank refusal to subject the fund to an independent audit to properly assess its economic viabilty.

 

This is because the main obstacle to any private sector investment into health and education is that investors are completely unwilling to meet the financial obligations of present public sector pension arrangements. The aim is thus to radically restructure public sector employment - schools run by ex-armed forces personnel and owned by Carphone Warehouse and hospitals run by care assistants on short term, insecure private employment style contracts.

 

That's why it is vitally important that we continue to undertake industrial action and that the trade unions stand firm and resist the destruction of our public services currently taking place through their costly and un-necessary privatisation plans. A leaked email by Lord Owen to the Labour party touts the possibility of a Lib Dem revolt and the possibility of combining with Milliband to try for a vote of 'no confidence' against the governments reforms. This appears to provide a potential opportunity to halt the NHS reforms:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9037011/Lord-Owens-plot-to-topple-the-Coalition.html

Otherwise in years to come when private providers and insurance companies are sucking up billiions in public money, we will bitterly regret allowing these changes to happen so easily without putting up a serious fight to defend such hard won gains as the right to free health care.

 

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We were nearly " on sourced" a year after we were "out sourced", the new company dicided on to take on the segment of work due to the high salaries and pensions of some of the staff.

 

The our company made it sound like it was their decision to keep it on house.

 

Then in 2010, 6 years later they finally smash everyones pensions.

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