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ITV News Story. Rochdale Child Rapes


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Trial started today of 11 men for the above mentioned crime. 10 of the 11 men if I understand it correctly are of Pakistani origin.

I'm sure I read recently that this particular crime - using and abusing under age predominantly white girls - is in the main perpetrated by men of Pakistani origin. Do a google on the crime.

 

Yet why isn't this being classed as a racist crime? ITV News made no mention other than 'a group of 11 men' the protest outside the Court which was obviously the EDL or the likes was described as a 'demonstration'

 

Pisses me off big style that a national news organisation are not reporting this story for what it is - a racist crime. Lets hope the horrible cunts get what is coming to them if /when they are found guilty.Sadly deportation wont follow a jail term as they would be persecuted as sex offenders / paedo's in their *own country.

 

*yes, i realise.

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Racial aggravation of offences is always difficult to prove. Usually, it requires direct mention of race/religion either prior, during or after the offence and that the offence was at least partially motivated by prejudice.

 

Furthermore as far as I'm aware, sexual offences cannot be racially aggravated anyway.

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People assault other people for non-racist reasons too.

 

On a legal basis, I don't really agree with race being taken into account over crimes, so I find it hard to comment on whether this lot should be charged on a racial basis. But there is no question that ethnically/culturally-defined gangs (pick your favourite) are operating in towns and cities all over the country and targeting vulnerable children and women who are specifically not of that group. To my knowledge they are exclusively Muslim. Other groups (Slavic, Gypsy, British, West Indian etc.) aren't as picky over the roots of their victims. Fwiw there are a number of charities and organisations carrying out research, both with and without special interest in this issue, who have subsequently banned the publication of this knowledge on the grounds of 'sensitivities'.

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Its easily a racial case because they wouldn't be doing this with Pakistani girls. Sadly, many Pakistani men in general have a very low opinion of women, be it their wives or 2nd and third wives or white women. Islam is to blame, or rather the misguided way many Pakistani men interpret it regarding women. Its a big problem and not just isolated. It is happening in Newcastle too.

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Look, I know it doesn't satisfy people's need for easy answers, but the fact is that race is a minor issue in this story.

 

Are these men rapists because they are Asian? No, there are rapists of all races and the proportion of Asians that are rapists is tiny and almost certainly similar to the proportion of any other race who are rapists. Apart from anything some of the men involved in these particular cases are not Asian.

 

Are these men rapists because they are Muslims? No, there are rapists of all religions and the proportion of Muslims that are rapists is tiny and almost certainly similar to the proportion of any other religion who are rapists. Apart from anything some of the men involved in these particular cases are not Muslims.

 

Are they targeting these girls simply because they are white? No, they are targeting them because they are vulnerable. Apart from anything some of the girls involved in these particular cases are not white.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not denying that there is any racial or cultural element to this, there clearly is, but only in so much as someone's race and culture play a part in making them who they are, just like any other element of nature and nurture does. These men are criminals, just like certain people from all backgrounds are criminals, does the media, etc, get as obsessed about the backgrounds of criminals normally? No, they just write them off as scum and don't concern themselves as to how and why they have become scum. If they did, I'm sure that they could find a racial slant on almost anything, the only difference is that the media have chosen to highlight the racial element of this case.

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Look, I know it doesn't satisfy people's need for easy answers, but the fact is that race is a minor issue in this story.

 

Are these men rapists because they are Asian? No, there are rapists of all races and the proportion of Asians that are rapists is tiny and almost certainly similar to the proportion of any other race who are rapists. Apart from anything some of the men involved in these particular cases are not Asian.

 

Are these men rapists because they are Muslims? No, there are rapists of all religions and the proportion of Muslims that are rapists is tiny and almost certainly similar to the proportion of any other religion who are rapists. Apart from anything some of the men involved in these particular cases are not Muslims.

 

Are they targeting these girls simply because they are white? No, they are targeting them because they are vulnerable. Apart from anything some of the girls involved in these particular cases are not white.

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am not denying that there is any racial or cultural element to this, there clearly is, but only in so much as someone's race and culture play a part in making them who they are, just like any other element of nature and nurture does. These men are criminals, just like certain people from all backgrounds are criminals, does the media, etc, get as obsessed about the backgrounds of criminals normally? No, they just write them off as scum and don't concern themselves as to how and why they have become scum. If they did, I'm sure that they could find a racial slant on almost anything, the only difference is that the media have chosen to highlight the racial element of this case.

 

Superb post. The raping of the children is the thing we should be focussing on. Encouraging white girls to fear all Asian men is not a good outcome.

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Any immigrant guilty of such a crime, regardless of who the victims are, should be deported, having blown their chance of settling in Britain.  Before people kick off, admittedly i don't know of the accuseds' background. They may have been born and bred here. Immigrant offenders shouldn't be kept in British jails, paid for by the British taxpayer.

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Any immigrant guilty of such a crime, regardless of who the victims are, should be deported, having blown their chance of settling in Britain.  Before the PC brigade kick off, admittedly i don't know of the accuseds' background. They may have been born and bred here. Immigrant offenders shouldn't be kept in British jails, paid for by the British taxpayer.

 

Not quite as easy as that though is it? What if they come from the EU, what it they have a settled family in the UK, what if they come from somewhere that executes or tortures sex offenders? I get where your coming from, but these policies are pretty difficult to get right.

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Its easily a racial case because they wouldn't be doing this with Pakistani girls. Sadly, many Pakistani men in general have a very low opinion of women, be it their wives or 2nd and third wives or white women. Islam is to blame, or rather the misguided way many Pakistani men interpret it regarding women. Its a big problem and not just isolated. It is happening in Newcastle too.

 

Selective stuff there, no one is saying that there isn't a problem, the point is that it is affecting kids across all racial/cultural backgrounds. A recent Guardian article focuses on gang rapes of young girls in inner city London, gangs which are made up of black & white males: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/18/being-raped-by-gang-normal?intcmp=239

 

This is a serious issue, and its no surprise to see those with a narrow focus on the current cultural situation, which is mostly affecting working class girls in the UK, ending up using the race card.

 

And the EDL need to look a bit closer to home if it's the actual kiddy fiddling they're bothered about, it was only last year that one of the main goons that set up the organisation got done for downloading kiddy porn. link

 

 

 

 

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