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The sad irony is that the fear of communism has taken hold in the working classes -- the exact group that communism is meant to protect from exploitation.

 

The elites dont want scocialism or the extreme in coumminism as it spreads wealth amongst the people.

 

I still cnat get my head round that the USA hasn't got an NHS type service.  The USA has so much money it could be a world leader in health care for all. It boggles the mind.

 

It's astounding. And if you talk about it to americans they start clucking about socialised medicine of summink. :lol:

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The sad irony is that the fear of communism has taken hold in the working classes -- the exact group that communism is meant to protect from exploitation.

 

The elites dont want scocialism or the extreme in coumminism as it spreads wealth amongst the people.

 

I still cnat get my head round that the USA hasn't got an NHS type service.  The USA has so much money it could be a world leader in health care for all. It boggles the mind.

 

It's astounding. And if you talk about it to americans they start clucking about socialised medicine of summink. :lol:

 

They could employ loads of the unemployed by training them up to work in their version of the NHS, it would slash their unemployed stats.

 

 

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I appreciate they already have many health workers but to meet the demand for an NHS with the population of the USA you'll need thousands of more workers.

 

Cleaners, admin staff, janitors, maintenance technicians, ambulance drivers, specialised surgical aparatus cleaners, chefs, managers, nurses, matrons, home vistit nurses, doctors...

 

Its fucking endless, across the USA in each state you could slash unemployment.

 

Those newly employed people then feel lifted and aspirations rise...then they end up fancying buying more home products and thus adding more consumers to buy the products the private companies want you to buy.

 

But not on credit tho.  :lol:

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I appreciate they already have many health workers but to meet the demand for an NHS with the population of the USA you'll need thousands of more workers.

 

Cleaners, admin staff, janitors, maintenance technicians, ambulance drivers, specialised surgical aparatus cleaners, chefs, managers, nurses, matrons, home vistit nurses, doctors...

 

Its fucking endless, across the USA in each state you could slash unemployment.

 

Those newly employed people then feel lifted and aspirations rise...then they end up fancying buying more home products and thus adding more consumers to buy the products the private companies want you to buy.

 

But not on credit tho.  :lol:

 

An excellent way to redistribute wealth and make many more people 'included' in determining how society works = COMMUNISM!!! :lol:

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

The medical insurance lobby would make mincemeat if there was ever a whiff of radical reform and drugs companies and so on looked like they would lose money.

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

The medical insurance lobby would make mincemeat if there was ever a whiff of radical reform and drugs companies and so on looked like they would lose money.

With the result that people effectively become commodities.

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

The medical insurance lobby would make mincemeat if there was ever a whiff of radical reform and drugs companies and so on looked like they would lose money.

With the result that people effectively become commodities.

 

That's de facto across the pond fella. ;)

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

JohnnyPD -

 

You are usually spot on about US info, but you got this wrong. The US spends significantly more on health care than any industrialized nation.

http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=66

 

Feel free to google other sites they pretty much all say the same thing, greater absolute amount, more per capita, more as a percentage of GDP... etc.

 

Its all about the fact that so many people are nto covered so we have expensive reactive measures instead of preventative measures.

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

JohnnyPD -

 

You are usually spot on about US info, but you got this wrong. The US spends significantly more on health care than any industrialized nation.

http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=66

 

Feel free to google other sites they pretty much all say the same thing, greater absolute amount, more per capita, more as a percentage of GDP... etc.

 

Its all about the fact that so many people are nto covered so we have expensive reactive measures instead of preventative measures.

 

I'm talking about public spending rather than private - Medicare, Medicaid, NHS etc. In both the US and UK it's a little over 8% of GDP. For that we manage to get the NHS yet strangely enough the US can only muster the rather crap and partial coverage of their own state schemes.

 

The US spends another 10% of GDP on private healthcare on top of that though.

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America and Britain both spend a similar proportion of money on public healthcare fwiw. the problem in America is more systemic in that the money is spent in wildly inefficient ways and funnelled into private pockets rather than for the greater good. you should see the kind of houses doctors and dentists live in over there, or the sort of medical-industrial complexes that surround every hospital - it's massive business over there (around 20% of their entire economy in fact).

 

JohnnyPD -

 

You are usually spot on about US info, but you got this wrong. The US spends significantly more on health care than any industrialized nation.

http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.aspx?ind=66

 

Feel free to google other sites they pretty much all say the same thing, greater absolute amount, more per capita, more as a percentage of GDP... etc.

 

Its all about the fact that so many people are nto covered so we have expensive reactive measures instead of preventative measures.

 

I'm talking about public spending rather than private - Medicare, Medicaid, NHS etc. In both the US and UK it's a little over 8% of GDP. For that we manage to get the NHS yet strangely enough the US can only muster the rather crap and partial coverage of their own state schemes.

 

The US spends another 10% of GDP on private healthcare on top of that though.

Okay got it.

It's not just the doctors BTW. Big Pharma, Private Health providers, and insurance comapnies all get a piece of the public expendature action. Doctors are actually making less money these days.

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"British Health Care Spending:

 

With 2.3 Doctors and 9.2 Nurses, 5 MRI and 7 CT per 1,000 population. A real deal at $2,546 funding per capita. That's 10% more Doctors and nearly the same access to technologies with 20% less overall health care spending compared to Canada.

 

On Canada's $111 Billion dollar health care budget, Canadian taxpayers would save $22.2 Billion, that's $633 annually for every man woman and child using the UK framework. $22.2 Billion a year would go a long way in brining Canadians access to health care technology up to par and a long way towards eliminating wait-lists."

 

 

Yet however much the contributions grow, they never seem to be enough for Germany’s ravenous healthcare system. It demands vast sacrifices, and in the past few years, the government has been forced to inject more and more tax money into the system: from 2008 to 2009, its contribution to the newly devised Gesundheitsfond (“health fund”) – a centralized pot into which everyone’s healthcare contributions are paid – doubled from €1.5 billion a year to €3 billion. The idea that healthcare should be at least partially funded by tax money is a central plank of more left-minded policy – the notion that everyone contributes and everyone gets basic healthcare, and that competitive capitalist model isn’t necessarily the most effective way to keep people alive.

 

In Europe, Britain’s National Health Service, for all its flaws, is still the model example of an entirely tax-financed system. The last round of German reforms, brought about during the SPD-CDU coalition government in 2007, was a gesture in this direction. Even Rösler’s new plan requires a significant tax contribution, as low earners would receive an extra health allowance which would have to be financed by tax money. But Bormann is not convinced such a system would work in Germany."

 

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Funny to me that you all care so much about the politics over here enough & slag us off at the same time. :lol: Coldblooded!

 

I thought Bill Clinton's 49 minute speech was f***ing class. The man has so much confidence, knows how to talk to the party, the common man, the business man and than a little wink to a lass he spots.  The DNC has been a home run for the party; momentum is building up and Obama will most likely deliver a class speech and rally the party again. 

 

The debates will decide my vote I think...I've never been this torn tbh.

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Funny to me that you all care so much about the politics over here enough & slag us off at the same time. :lol:

 

I thought Bill Clinton's 49 minute speech was fucking class. The man has so much confidence, knows how to talk to the party, the common man, the business man and than a little wink to a lass he spots.  The DNC has been a home run for the party; momentum is building up and Obama will most likely deliver a class speech and rally the party again. 

 

The debates will decide my vote I think...I've never been this torn tbh.

 

Romney is a Nazi clown yet close to getting your vote? Only in America!  :aww:

 

Seriously at least Obama isn't insane.

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I still remember when I lived in the US, and I had a pain in the ear so I went to get myself checked at a medical center covered by my insurance. I got out of there with a diabetes test, a cholesterol test, a vaccination and - finally - an appointment with the otolaryngologist. Bill passed to my employer.

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