Village Idiot Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Fact is that Gomes was always an excellent shot-stopper; that's an example of why stats will never tell you the full story. Even if the took those at a face value, which we shouldn't: http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/goalie-stats.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 The top 5 clubs last season have these first choice now. Courtois Hart Cech De Gea Lloris My opinion is Hart is better than him. don't agree with that personally Cechs in 3rd place out of those guys imho in front of Hart and who? he's not better than lloris imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Can't see how Cech will make that big of a difference in Arsenal's title hopes. He certainly is an upgrade on Ospina but Ospina wasn't bad. Seems incremental to me. Ospina was poor when he started having a long run. Gomis winner against Swansea = awful goalkeeping. His positioning could be poor and he didn't inspire confidence through the ranks. Cech is an upgrade. They'll need 2 more additions down that spine to be champions for me. Probably only 1 player and a good season with injuries to really challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech's massively experienced, he's a massive presence, he's won the league. If they get him plus a similar player in midfield (Vidal?) they could really add the steel they've been missing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It's an amazing signing. People must accept this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech was better in 13/14 than Courtois was for Chelsea in 14/15. The few league games Cech did get last season came from periods where Courtois had made mistakes. Cech was pretty much flawless in 13/14. Cech is better than Hart too imo. Lloris is excellent as a sweeper-keeper but I think Arsene has abandoned that really high line for the time being anyway. For me, signing Cech is a relatively small but still significant step. Just that tad bit more composure and calm in big moments. Just that crucial bit less likely to make a mistake. It's these incremental wins, marginal gains that if Arsene can eek out in the transfer market with 1 or 2 additions could make a massive overall change. Cech is that little bit better in every category that will have a decent effect. INteresting to see how he fares should Arsene go back to that high line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 It's a good signing which at best consolidated their top 3-4 status. Neuer, Courtois, De Gea, etc would be an 'amazing' signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I think for Arsenal it's better than that, it's a signing that could go along with others to move them into the title race. Cech might not be 'better' than those other keepers you list but in terms of saves/points there's effectively nothing to choose between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I don't think Courtois is any better than Cech right now. You look at some of the games Chelsea drew against the other big teams in the league - I feel like Courtois made a mistake in a lot of them. Sure Courtois could improve and last season was his first as a real Chelsea player and his first with a side expected to win the league. But right now I don't think he's any better than Cech. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech will also get those defenders playing better, because he actually talks to his defenders, and has a go at them if they aren't up to par. Sczesny just looked like a little kid back there. Ospina didn't really have that authority either. Not sure what his English was like. Cech comes in commanding huge respect right off the bat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I do not believe he will make much difference at Arsenal whatsoever. Maybe, like, 2 points. Or more importantly, a 3%-5% save percentage increase. That's a pretty significant increase tbh. I don't know why you Brits hate stats so badly. Because they can be completely misused, "significant" is an empty term, unless you're talking about statistical significance. Given that save % is not considered to be a particularly repeatable metric from season to season (i.e you can expect fairly large variance between seasons for an individual 'keeper - even great ones), 'significance' is a fairly hollow term to apply to such a difference. Especially given that save % is dependent upon a number of factors, notably shot quality, which is tricky to pin down and compare between teams (current expected goals models are not really up to scratch). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 When did James Beattie become a first team coach at Swansea? Anyway ... he says they're transfer work is pretty much done. What an utter calamity we are as a club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Swansea fans furious over that they didn't monitor players more carefully before signing them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cabaye coming back to the PL to anyone outside of the top 5 will infuriate me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cabaye coming back to the PL to anyone outside of the top 5 will infuriate me. ...like Newcastle Utd? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I've assumed were not capable of signing him again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech is miles better than Ospina man, both as a keeper and as a leader. Can't believe what i'm reading and that's saying something. Literally no one has said he's not better than Ospina Nut did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech was better in 13/14 than Courtois was for Chelsea in 14/15. The few league games Cech did get last season came from periods where Courtois had made mistakes. Cech was pretty much flawless in 13/14. Cech is better than Hart too imo. Lloris is excellent as a sweeper-keeper but I think Arsene has abandoned that really high line for the time being anyway. For me, signing Cech is a relatively small but still significant step. Just that tad bit more composure and calm in big moments. Just that crucial bit less likely to make a mistake. It's these incremental wins, marginal gains that if Arsene can eek out in the transfer market with 1 or 2 additions could make a massive overall change. Cech is that little bit better in every category that will have a decent effect. INteresting to see how he fares should Arsene go back to that high line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Cech is miles better than Ospina man, both as a keeper and as a leader. Can't believe what i'm reading and that's saying something. Literally no one has said he's not better than Ospina Nut did. He didn't. I'll admit it was a little confusingly written, but he means the current #1 for last seasons top 5. i.e. Cech not Ospina. Just an opinion but he's the 5th best first choice keeper out of last season's top 5. The top 5 clubs last season have these first choice now. Courtois Hart Cech De Gea Lloris My opinion is Hart is better than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Of course Cech's better than Ospina man. It's the other keepers in the top 5 I don't think he's any better than. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 5th best 1st choice keeper out of last season's top 5 would include Ospina. Not that it matters as he's better than pretty much everyone on that list unless a year of not playing much has had a bigger impact than I imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Aye Nut, you hear that, you're wrong. You think Ospina is better than Cech, you idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 He wasn't first choice though for Chelsea so not sure how Mole's interpretation works. He IS the 5th best first choice keeper out of last season's top 5 clubs, not was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Fair enough if that's not what you meant, but you have to understand how that reads extremely misleading at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 How many people think Joe Hart is better than Cech? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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