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I called him out on this before, on this thread somewhere I think, years ago. He was simply a popularist, typically Guardian-esque, political aspirant who tried to mix as much non-football themes into his drawings as possible to get cheap laughs from the avocado-on-toast and iced-tea sipping captive audience. It started with just football, and it was fine, but then it became politicised, and now it's just completely out of touch.

 

But I've always ascribed to freedom of speech and expression - I don't like them so I don't look at them. I've not opened up a comic of his on over a year, and unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think my opening paragraph above will be wrong now as it was correct over a year ago.

 

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11 minutes ago, Rafalove said:


 

 

maybe not *all* but well over 90% by recent poll numbers he’s more than within his rights to generalise in this case.

 

 

 

it’s fine to criticise fans for wanting this takeover, we deserve it tbh. I do think i there is some cowardice though when you criticise fans but not managers players too.

 

 

The likes of Pep or Messi or Neymar are never blamed for being complicit in the way fans are. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think I’ve seen any of those asked “tough” questions on this. Yet fans were there before before any of those superstars.

 

I know the NUST numbers were around 93% in favour, but if that's representative 7% is still about 160,000 people to be making assumptions about in real numbers. He's certainly happy to focus on the small percentage of people carrying on with towels on their heads or waving flags. It doesn't bother me like, all fans of all clubs are always lumped together like that and I've always thought that it's stupid. This is always what was going to happen and it'll never ever end. 

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Less of the flags, teatowels, and faux-thawbs (?) and we'll be reet. Can't blame people for getting a bit carried away and not being aware of the geopolitical climate, mind.

 

 

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1 minute ago, kisearch said:

 

I know the NUST numbers were around 93% in favour, but if that's representative 7% is still about 160,000 people to be making assumptions about in real numbers. He's certainly happy to focus on the small percentage of people carrying on with towels on their heads or waving flags. It doesn't bother me like, all fans of all clubs are always lumped together like that and I've always thought that it's stupid. This is always what was going to happen and it'll never ever end. 

Where did he say all fans out of interest? He specifically says "except the ones who spent the last month's asking for just this" and "some fans".

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Not really wound up by that, mainly because I never found what he did good or funny in the first place. Littered with random digs just like there was one 18 months ago. 

 

Football sold it's soul in 1992, it got ever worse in 2003, then 2008, 2012, and now. Anger shouldn't be directed at a fanbase but the people who run the game who have allowed to get to this stage.

 

People need to stop with the Saudi flags online and IRL, the tea towel wearing. Because while I get that part of it is just celebration of Ashley going and us being in the money, it appears to the outside like we're championing the Saudi regime. When people rush to the defence of said regime, it confirms that sportswashing works. And that has to stop.

 

 

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Got no problem with what he is saying, and I really do think our fans should engage in debates about Saudi Arabia in time (we're still celebrating Ashley fucking off, let's not forget that). However, was it meant to be funny? Could understand it if it wasn't and this was a one off, because there is nothing funny about what's going on in Saudi Arabia, but if any of those panels were meant to be funny I completely missed it :dontknow:

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3 minutes ago, Si said:

Where did he say all fans out of interest? He specifically says "except the ones who spent the last month's asking for just this" and "some fans".

 

I'm sure the neutral is coming away from that cartoon thinking, "but what about the Newcastle fans who don't think like that!"... 

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2 minutes ago, Si said:

Where did he say all fans out of interest? He specifically says "except the ones who spent the last month's asking for just this" and "some fans".

 

He said it with what he chose to focus on, which is fair enough, just a bit of an eye roll over getting tarred with the same brush. 

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:lol: It really is pretty fucking surreal that football, of all things is where we're having a prominent discussion about Saudi Arabia. I'm sure lots of people are trying to address these issues in more appropriate venues, and this is just a convenient, high-profile transaction, so why not use it. But honestly it's kind of grimly funny.

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5 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

I'm sure the neutral is coming away from that cartoon thinking, "but what about the Newcastle fans who don't think like that!"... 

 

If they don't you'd worry about the people basing their views solely on a cartoon.

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I went in hoping to be outraged, and came out thinking it was alright.

 

It's just taking a dig, like all his cartoons do, and pointing out some of the absurdities. Think we need to take this kind of stuff in our stride from now on, rather than over analyse for criticism.

 

I expect we'd be saying the exact same thing if it were any other club or set of fans.

 

I did laugh at the Mike Ashley Victorian mill owner bit. I say laugh, I mean not out loud.

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2 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

Does use a lot of text for a cartoonist.

 

Go back to the first pages of this thread and there's some really brilliant ones without using text at all.

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Does any club have a rightful place? Was that a dig at Staveley or the fans, surely not following the narrative that the Super League 6 or just Liverpool and Man U have a rightful place at top? Or, was it just a shit attempt at a joke?

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I think it's pretty funny. It's also something we are going to have to get used to. We've been the underdog for so long now, we've got used to cynicism and snarkiness aimed at other clubs, but not us. Now we're "the richest football club in the whole world", we're fair game. Comedians, cartoonists, etc. tend to punch upwards, not downwards. Our potentially elite status is going to bring this kind of stuff. It's a trade I'm happy to make.

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I’ll enjoy the upturn in football fortunes like everyone else but, tbh, I found that cartoon pretty good.

I can hold both ideas in my mind: enjoy the football + be critical of a state with some beliefs that entirely conflict with my own.

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21 minutes ago, Abacus said:

I went in hoping to be outraged, and came out thinking it was alright.

 

It's just taking a dig, like all his cartoons do, and pointing out some of the absurdities. Think we need to take this kind of stuff in our stride from now on, rather than over analyse for criticism.

 

I expect we'd be saying the exact same thing if it were any other club or set of fans.

 

I did laugh at the Mike Ashley Victorian mill owner bit. I say laugh, I mean not out loud.

 

Agree, it was pretty much what I expected, water off a duck's back as far as I'm concerned. 

 

The bit that I found funny was where Dickie Masters was portrayed as being willing to pass the takeover without a second thought. It will have killed him being forced into doing it, and for all the wrong reasons at that. 

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It's mostly okay. The "14th" comment is really thick, because it will turn Newcastle fans off when there is no need to score cheap points. Him, and the Guardian if they actually cared, should be trying to engage us. This will just push people away and encourage them to develop a siege mentality.

 

Just for the frame with the fan upside down, but so many sports and organizations are taking KSA money that somewhere sometime you do indeed jump a whataboutery shark where accepting KSA money is ultimately normalized. Just as government ministers seem to have jumped an accountability shark where you can be corrupt and/or super incompetent and still not have to resign.

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2 minutes ago, Ketsbaia said:

The media are pissing me off so much and this one has been added to the list.

 

I know we should expect it, but I kind of keep getting the feeling that it'll all be taken away from us on a technicality at any given point. The only reason I can think I feel like that is just because we're Newcastle and stuff always turns to shit for us.

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4 hours ago, HawK said:

I called him out on this before, on this thread somewhere I think, years ago. He was simply a popularist, typically Guardian-esque, political aspirant who tried to mix as much non-football themes into his drawings as possible to get cheap laughs from the avocado-on-toast and iced-tea sipping captive audience. It started with just football, and it was fine, but then it became politicised, and now it's just completely out of touch.

 

But I've always ascribed to freedom of speech and expression - I don't like them so I don't look at them. I've not opened up a comic of his on over a year, and unless someone wants to correct me, I don't think my opening paragraph above will be wrong now as it was correct over a year ago.

 

Edit: NewPageWanker

 

 

 

 

Was that when he made the previous one about the Saudi-Arabia takeover?

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