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18 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

What's that based on? The one time Potter stepped up to a big job he had a nightmare whereas Southgate is the most successful England manager in generations. 

 

Is he? What have we won under him?

 

He's got good records in terms of going deep in competitions and whilst you can only beat what's in front of you he's had massively favourable draws and i'd argue we've achieved on the lower end of expectations given that apart from that one game against Germany we've fallen down as soon as we've come against any half decent side.

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43 minutes ago, Cf said:

 

Is he? What have we won under him?

 

Nothing, he's 0 for 2 in terms of winning a competition where there was a realistic chance of doing so. But that doesn't mean he isn't the most successful manager in generations; getting to the Euros final is statistically the best achievement of any manager since '66.

 

I've never, ever bought the favourable draws angle and never will. Anyone can beat anyone at that level, and England have historically underachieved - until Southgate, where we've performed at Par or better. Not to mention we were knocked out by Iceland the competition before he came in. 

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16 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

I've never, ever bought the favourable draws angle and never will. Anyone can beat anyone at that level, and England have historically underachieved - until Southgate, where we've performed at Par or better. Not to mention we were knocked out by Iceland the competition before he came in. 

Southgate has the benefit of a group of young players who won the U-17, U-20 WCs and U-19 Euros.  He’s won knockouts against Colombia, Sweden, Denmark, Ukraine, Senegal and the worst German team since the 1940s - that’s about as favourable as you can get.  As soon as we played a genuinely top side - Croatia, Italy, France - we don’t win.  Absolutely 100% par for the course in terms of England’s history.

 

England have not historically underachieved - they’ve pretty much always performed broadly to par.  They generally reach the knockouts of major tournaments, before losing to the first top side that they meet.  They’re middleweights not heavyweights in international football.  
 

The difference at the moment is that England have possibly the best available selection in forward positions in world football, yet to watch a Southgate team you’d never know it.

 

That 2016 Iceland team finished above Holland and Turkey in qualifying, and above Portugal in the group stage.  They weren’t muppets; that doesn’t mean England played well, but they hardly deserve the implicit disrespect. 

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