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[emoji38] why is modric giving it the big one, they were absolutely gash against jobbers like Denmark and Russia

"Croatia might be more tired" is hardly giving them jip either. [emoji38]
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Lisbon 2004.

 

We played Sporting Lisbon in the UEFA Cup quarter-final, the year before we got to the semi's, lost due to 2 Drogba goals for Marseille. This year though things were going to be different, it was our competition to win, the same competition that we last won would be the one that ended the run of not winning anything. I was sure of it, right from the full time whistle against Marseille. The competition opened up like the World Cup did for England, Sporting Lisbon was probably the only team who could beat us left in it.

We won the first leg 1-0, but the teams were tightly matched. In the 2nd leg we got an early goal to go 2-0 up on AGG. We missed chances, we fell apart, we lost 4-1 in the end. I cried myself to sleep.

I toughened myself from then on. Even with all the good things and hope that has been since then, I never expected us to win anything, but would always hope we would. England I pretty much just wrote off full stop.

 

Despite not trying and being really calm, collected, and balanced about our chances I think somewhere I believed it would happen for England because although I'm not crying now, I'm the closest that I have ever been to feeling like I did that night.

Tonight was England's night in Lisbon. 

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Guest firetotheworks

 

 

Would’ve lost my balls if he’d name checked the sun and mail tbf.

 

Not sure why that wouldve been so outrageous. You have trouble finding them at the best of times.

 

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Off to bed, I'm so pissed off. What a fuck up of a wonderful opportunity. Cannot get my head round Kane fluffing that double chance in the first half.

 

Dragging the first shot was poor, but how he hit the post from the rebound was as baffling as whatever bullshit decision the linesman ended up giving.

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You can be proud of England. Finally, and probably for the first time since I've been watching, England look like they have something in the semblance of a team on their hands. And they're young. There's a good spine to this squad from Pickford, Stones and Maguire towards Henderson, Sterling and Kane and although some of them might never develop to be world class that's not really how international football works. I know it's a cliché but a national team has to be more than the sum of its parts and it seems like Southgate is onto something in that aspect. Not to mention that there is finally a good feeling and atmosphere around it. Today you were beaten by experience. Beaten by a better team. Not necessarily beaten by a better collection of individuals but very clearly a more coherent and astute side. No shame in that, keep the momentum going and England can cause some serious damage at least for the next couple of tournaments.

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I think the key to the result was your midfield three getting visibly tired in the second half which meant more time and space to Croatia's best players. Alli and Lingard playing 120 minutes after being wasted after about 60 minutes is ridiculous.

 

Not sure how much to blame Southgate for that or your squad/player pool as LC and Dier were the only options to replace them. I'm definitely certain that Delph and Welbeck shouldn't have gone to Russia as they were taking valuable spots for no reason at all.

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What are the rules with trying to play on when the other team are celebrating a goal? Saw a video of England trying it earlier. Think it happened another time in the tournament too and it's honestly the first I've ever heard of it

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I think the key to the result was your midfield three getting visibly tired in the second half which meant more time and space to Croatia's best players. Alli and Lingard playing 120 minutes after being wasted after about 60 minutes is ridiculous.

 

Not sure how much to blame Southgate for that or your squad/player pool as LC and Dier were the only options to replace them. I'm definitely certain that Delph and Welbeck shouldn't have gone to Russia as they were taking valuable spots for no reason at all.

 

Yeah, good point. Southgate was clearly reluctant to change a side that was getting results, but it did mean the midfielders playing a string of hard games in a short space of time.

 

Without getting into a debate as to how strong the alternatives were, we were missing some good players through form and fitness that would have made it a lot easier to rest a few. I'm thinking of Lallana, Barkley, Oxlade-C and Wilshere. Hopefully Wilshere isn't a busted flush.

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I think the key to the result was your midfield three getting visibly tired in the second half which meant more time and space to Croatia's best players. Alli and Lingard playing 120 minutes after being wasted after about 60 minutes is ridiculous.

 

Not sure how much to blame Southgate for that or your squad/player pool as LC and Dier were the only options to replace them. I'm definitely certain that Delph and Welbeck shouldn't have gone to Russia as they were taking valuable spots for no reason at all.

 

like many i was fairly critical of some of southgates squad choices as it was clear there was never going to be a plan b...on balance it's hard to criticise him because he had a clear idea of how to play and stuck with it, just falling short

 

hopefully england have some youngsters coming through that can fit into the side soon because the likes of dier shouldn't be anywhere near a game in CM vs people like modric/rakitic or anyone of that class

 

as it turned out the pre tournament worry was essentially correct; that once they played a good midfield/system that could control the game then they'd struggle because the entire system is based on them being charge....that they could have scored 2/3 in the first half is irrelevant to that imo, if every team scored every chance they had football would have a very different game

 

there's an argument that once croatia started getting on top we should have sat back and looked to do them on the break but they didn't seem to have the legs for that anyway, nevermind the personnel, and i respect southgate for sticking to his guns myself

 

why he left loftus cheek on the bench is anyone's guess, of all the choices he made and options he ignored that seems the one that irks me the most from last night

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