Dr Venkman Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: In fairness, at present the alternative is Clark. Today the alternative was Dummet with either Manquillo or Trippier at LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Dr Venkman said: Today the alternative was Dummet with either Manquillo or Trippier at LB. Very true. Trying to think, have we ever played Dummet in a back two? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Very true. Trying to think, have we ever played Dummet in a back two? Against Sunderland in one of the ‘6 in a row’ and Fletcher had him on toast. Think it was the one Debuchy scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The win away at WBA in the green & blue away kit when Perez scored a flick and a Colo header, Dummett was one of the two CBs that day. I think he's generally been pretty useful at centre back but he's not going to drop the captain to play Dummett there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Hmm time to give the captain's armband to Trippier in the time that he will be out, then pretended he never existed once we get a new CB and move on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 What armband? https://ibb.co/JBY5Sp1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. The voice of reason. Well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palestoon Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, TRon said: Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. Agreed, he did well today before he went off. both our fullbacks were getting beat like a drum in the first half, Schar and Lascalles dealt with everything. Second half trippier sorted himself out, and Manquillio was excellent. Our CBs had much less to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon_Geordie Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Rod said: The voice of reason. Well said. I thought Willock was poor first halve, not terrible, just in second gear. Thought Lascelles was fine, as I did last week also, bar a few daft balls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 58 minutes ago, TRon said: Lascelles did fine while he was on, there seemed to be a really weird hate campaign going on against him and Willock in particular in the first half for some reason. Try watching the game back and see if it could be maybe reassessed. It’s not a hate campaign, it started really well for the kid when he arrived first and every one of us were happy to have him as a captain. But the defending Mike Ashley and then just his overall performances over the last few seasons. It’s beyond repair as far as am concerned. As a player he peaked at 22 and as a captain has been like a mute the last 2 years. Makes far too many mistakes in every match he plays now, lots of which have led to goals. Why should we treat him any differently to Ciaran Clark? (Who also did fine while he was on) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 New poll added. pretty sure it'll be a landslide, but interested to see what people would do with him... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 At the moment drop, but I hope he’s not a lost cause. If he can work on whatever makes him look so panicky all the time, he might have a career yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Posted this a few times now but this suggests that Schar is our worst CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prefabtoon Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) Seemed to me Lascelles bottled it against Leeds, He just panicked and feigned injury, he has lost all his confidence lately. Edited February 3, 2022 by prefabtoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 He’s one of many who physically are not in the best place. Whatever training they were doing in pre season, it built the bricks for many players walking the hamstring tightrope all season. But with Lascelles who’s prone to a mistake, having serious physical limitations are highlighting this. He’s also lost his voice a bit.. when he first broke into the team he was a natural leader. Not for a long time though. He seems to look to others for guidance now. I mean, I don’t dislike him. He’s always been a model pro and aside from the Mike Ashley comments he’s always represented the club well. But what’s happening on the pitch is making it hard to take all this into account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Going off the stats alone Burn is a huge upgrade on Schar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, HaydnNUFC said: Posted this a few times now but this suggests that Schar is our worst CB. I don't think this passes the eye test. Schar is a better and more frequent progressive passer of the ball than Lascelles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I mean, pretty sure those 2 stats aren't the only relevant ones for judging the quality and/or performances of centre backs. Not to say they aren't relevant, just they are quite selective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I mean for a ball playing CB like Schar is supposed to be his stats for progressive passes is abysmal like, though I understand the team around him is shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: I don't think this passes the eye test. Schar is a better and more frequent progressive passer of the ball than Lascelles. Unsure on what counts as a progressive pass tbh but for a CB to be winning less than half of his aerial duels is absolutely shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Unsure on what counts as a progressive pass tbh but for a CB to be winning less than half of his aerial duels is absolutely shit. Why I'd always play him in a three, get him closing down on that right hand side, allowing Trippier time to get back and support, with Lascelles and Burn able to deal with the aerial duel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Those statistics suggest that Clark and Lascelles are both better than Schar purely down to the fact they win for Aerial Duels and make the same amount of progressive passes, yet how many mistakes do they both make per game. Far more than Schar is for certain and how many of those 'progressive passes' are just hopeful punts upfield? I'm not a fan of any of our current CBs tbh and it's been an issue for the last 3 seasons. We'll see how Burn does and I suspect he will be a huge improvement on all of them. Huge shame Fede has been out so much this season as he is far better than the other 3 but still isn't particularly good enough and should've been replaced along with the rest a couple seasons ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 I like looking at the new analytics but I also believe in the eye test. In a two man pairing our CBs fail. I think we could all agree each will function better in a 3 man. Can't say for sure about Burn. He looks real good in some of the metrics but I haven't seen him enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) I assume Lascelles has been instructed to keep it simple and give it to Trippier. Atleast once in the past few games he made the most passes out of anyone in the side. Schar could obviously do that. Edited February 3, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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