Jump to content

UK Politics: The Tory Years - 2015-17


BlufPurdi

What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?  

198 members have voted

  1. 1. What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?

    • Conservatives win increased majority
    • Conservatives retain small majority
    • Hung parliament
    • Labour win majority


Recommended Posts

Labour abstaining on the Welfare Bill will come back to haunt them. They're now as good as dead electorally. They've just lost a large swathe of once reliable core voters. Forever.

 

Full list of those that broke the whip:

 

Diane Abbott

 

Debbie Abrahams

 

David Anderson

 

Richard Burgon

 

Dawn Butler

 

Ann Clwyd

 

Jeremy Corbyn

 

Geraint Davies

 

Peter Dowd

 

Paul Flynn

 

Mary Glindon

 

Roger Godsiff

 

Helen Goodman

 

Margaret Greenwood

 

Louise Haigh

 

Carolyn Harris

 

Sue Hayman

 

Imran Hussain

 

Gerald Jones

 

Helen Jones

 

Sir Gerald Kaufman

 

Sadiq Khan

 

David Lammy

 

Ian Lavery

 

Clive Lewis

 

Rebecca Long Bailey

 

Andy McDonald

 

John McDonnell

 

Liz McInnes

 

Rob Marris

 

Rachael Maskell

 

Michael Meacher

 

Ian Mearns

 

Madeleine Moon

 

Grahame Morris

 

Kate Osamor

 

Teresa Pearce

 

Marie Rimmer

 

Paula Sherriff

 

Tulip Siddiq

 

Dennis Skinner

 

Cat Smith

 

Jo Stevens

 

Graham Stringer

 

David Winnick

 

Iain Wright

 

Daniel Zeichner

 

Kelvin Hopkins (Teller)

Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it's pretty damning that only a fifth of the parliamentary Labour Party can recall being elected a few weeks ago to represent the interests of lower paid, disabled and vulnerable people. So never mind saluting those that did vote against, that's the least we should expect of them, ffs! Those who abstained are responsible for a total capitulation to Osborne which renders them unelectable for years to come.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Absolutely has to be Corbyn for next labour leader. He is, as Tony Benn would have said, a signpost, not a weather cock like the rest of them.

 

To have him in the Commons would at least make for an alternative voice and open scope for debate. I can't believe the logic/shite spouted by Harman and that bore Liz Kendall recently. Basically echoing Tory policies won't suddenly make your party electable ladies. Wake the fuck up.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not had much chance in recent weeks to follow Politics as closely as I'd like to. Is Jeremy Corbyn not just a token vote for the left wing or does he genuinely stand a chance of winning?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Why? Wages are rising faster than they have been for many years, inflation is low, the job market is tight.

 

Really?

 

1000 people chasing 1 job. Really?

I personally have had 1 pay rise in 12 years.

 

Don't fall for the spin, mate...

 

A mate of mine in the engineering game has had 4 in 6 years. You're personal circumstances aren't always an accurate reflection of what other people are experiencing.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank goodness for the engineering game.

 

There's such a lack of them at the moment there's no wonder they're paying them what they are. They even let him take a 6 month sabbatical to go travelling for a bit and kept his job open for him.

Link to post
Share on other sites

David Lammy tweeting about his mum relying on tax credits when he was growing up as a kid, even though they were introduced in 2003, when he was 31 :lol:

 

Family Income Supplement was introduce in 1971, replaced by Family Credit in the mid 80s. Basically in work benefits very similar to what Tax Credits are now.

Link to post
Share on other sites

David Lammy tweeting about his mum relying on tax credits when he was growing up as a kid, even though they were introduced in 2003, when he was 31 :lol:

 

Family Income Supplement was introduce in 1971, replaced by Family Credit in the mid 80s. Basically in work benefits very similar to what Tax Credits are now.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_tax_credit

 

It was obvious at what he was referring to.

Link to post
Share on other sites

You're personal circumstances aren't always an accurate reflection of what other people are experiencing.

 

Imma leave that quote right here and hope the penny drops for you soon. :)

 

You need to move on, this is getting obsessive.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Why? Wages are rising faster than they have been for many years, inflation is low, the job market is tight.

 

Really?

 

1000 people chasing 1 job. Really?

I personally have had 1 pay rise in 12 years.

 

Don't fall for the spin, mate...

 

A mate of mine in the engineering game has had 4 in 6 years. You're personal circumstances aren't always an accurate reflection of what other people are experiencing.

I'm a highly skilled CNC Programmer, haven't had one in three and a half years at my current place.

Link to post
Share on other sites

What are the actual ramifications of Labour abstaining yesterday?  Short of how cowardly it made them look (I'd honestly rather they voted for it if it's what they're believing in), will it make it harder to reverse these changes in the future in a hypothetical Labour administration?  Or is it just how pathetic they look, not standing up for the people that put in them in Parliament?

Link to post
Share on other sites

What are the actual ramifications of Labour abstaining yesterday?  Short of how cowardly it made them look (I'd honestly rather they voted for it if it's what they're believing in), will it make it harder to reverse these changes in the future in a hypothetical Labour administration?  Or is it just how pathetic they look, not standing up for the people that put in them in Parliament?

 

It's a rod to their back when things fall to shit, really, as well as a betrayal of their historical values IMO - the Tories will (justifiably?) say that Labour impliedly backed the moves. It also vindicates the claims about Labour just being Austerity-Lite.

Link to post
Share on other sites

What are the actual ramifications of Labour abstaining yesterday?  Short of how cowardly it made them look (I'd honestly rather they voted for it if it's what they're believing in), will it make it harder to reverse these changes in the future in a hypothetical Labour administration?  Or is it just how pathetic they look, not standing up for the people that put in them in Parliament?

I believe it has to go through the Commons again, after the Leadership election, when I hope it is opposed in more unity. The second reading I believe it is called.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
×
×
  • Create New...