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What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?  

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  1. 1. What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?

    • Conservatives win increased majority
    • Conservatives retain small majority
    • Hung parliament
    • Labour win majority


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I never thought Labour could sink any lower, then the abstain in this complete cluster fuck of a bill. Corbyn has to win now, he is the only one with a spine. Andy Burnham, posted this "It was a motion I had been calling for, because I have been clear all along – we cannot simply abstain on a Bill that will penalise working families and increase child poverty." then goes and abstains from the vote himself, what a fucking pleb.

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I never thought Labour could sink any lower, then the abstain in this complete cluster fuck of a bill. Corbyn has to win now, he is the only one with a spine. Andy Burnham, posted this "It was a motion I had been calling for, because I have been clear all along – we cannot simply abstain on a Bill that will penalise working families and increase child poverty." then goes and abstains from the vote himself, what a fucking pleb.

 

:lol: he's a right mess is scott tracy, never gotten why he's so well thought of

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I never thought Labour could sink any lower, then the abstain in this complete cluster fuck of a bill. Corbyn has to win now, he is the only one with a spine. Andy Burnham, posted this "It was a motion I had been calling for, because I have been clear all along – we cannot simply abstain on a Bill that will penalise working families and increase child poverty." then goes and abstains from the vote himself, what a fucking pleb.

 

:lol: he's a right mess is scott tracy, never gotten why he's so well thought of

 

Took me far too long to work this out. :lol:

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I never thought Labour could sink any lower, then the abstain in this complete cluster fuck of a bill. Corbyn has to win now, he is the only one with a spine. Andy Burnham, posted this "It was a motion I had been calling for, because I have been clear all along – we cannot simply abstain on a Bill that will penalise working families and increase child poverty." then goes and abstains from the vote himself, what a fucking pleb.

 

:lol: he's a right mess is scott tracy, never gotten why he's so well thought of

 

Took me far too long to work this out. :lol:

 

Think it was hoobs observation but my it's uncanny

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If I join in time, I'd vote for him to force a split in the party.  Labour needs redefined, and many need to be leaving.  Something drastic needs to happen.  More of the same is not going to work.  For all the votes they'll pick up from the centre and the right, they're losing just as many if not more from the left.

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Why? Wages are rising faster than they have been for many years, inflation is low, the job market is tight.

 

Really?

 

1000 people chasing 1 job. Really?

I personally have had 1 pay rise in 12 years.

 

Don't fall for the spin, mate...

 

A mate of mine in the engineering game has had 4 in 6 years. You're personal circumstances aren't always an accurate reflection of what other people are experiencing.

 

Duh..

 

You know the point I'm trying to make.

I'm sure the vast majority of people are not engineers, so...

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The biggest disgrace in UK politics is how the English taxpayer subsidises Scotland through the "Barnett Formula" Something the SNP always ignore.

  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11225021/Time-to-scrap-the-Barnett-formula-An-outline-of-who-has-demanded-flawed-measure-be-radically-recast.html

 

More of a"disgrace" than NI who benefit more from said formula?

 

What do you think about leaches like you in the North East sucking tax money away from hardworking families looking to get on in London to pay for vanity projects?

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

 

Because it's the right thing to do, and it's what he believes in? Mental I know.

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What are the actual ramifications of Labour abstaining yesterday?  Short of how cowardly it made them look (I'd honestly rather they voted for it if it's what they're believing in), will it make it harder to reverse these changes in the future in a hypothetical Labour administration?  Or is it just how pathetic they look, not standing up for the people that put in them in Parliament?

 

It's a rod to their back when things fall to shit, really, as well as a betrayal of their historical values IMO - the Tories will (justifiably?) say that Labour impliedly backed the moves. It also vindicates the claims about Labour just being Austerity-Lite.

 

Last week they're voting against the Budget, this week they're abstaining on the Welfare Bill - meaning that the very people who elected them in the first place are left totally non-plussed, betrayed, disenfranchised by their MPs actions. It's a triumph for Osborne, alright - he's effectively got Labour on a leash - a choke-chain. And SNP are sticking the knives in as well. The fallout will be obliteration of the Scottish Labour party at the Holyrood elections next May, shrinking the remaining powerbase to next to nothing. Once that is done, SNP will rise still further, there will be a further independence referendum, in which the vote is very likely to be Yes, and we will enter into a bitterly divisive divorce which will undoubtedly see violence. It's a barrel of laughs we're looking forward to now.

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http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/13477075.EXCLUSIVE__Small_scale_cannabis_users_and_growers_to_escape_prosecution_in_County_Durham_and_Darlington/

 

 

A NORTH-EAST police force has called a halt to the proactive detection of small-scale cannabis production in a move seen as a further step towards de-criminalisation.

In a meeting with pro-cannabis activists, Durham's Police and Crime Commissioner Ron Hogg recently outlined the way in which Durham Constabulary now deals with users and growers of the class-B drug.

 

Why do people like drugs? That's the real question says addict

 

In a subsequent conversation with The Northern Echo, he confirmed the constabulary has ended the proactive detection of small-scale cannabis production and said police will only go after users if a complaint is made or their actions are “blatant”.

 

While the force will continue to tackle large-scale cannabis farms and other serious issues relating to the drug, it will offer anybody caught in possession the opportunity to avoid criminal prosecution altogether.

 

Instead, those arrested will be offered the opportunity to engage with the force’s Checkpoint programme, an initiative aimed at eradicating ‘low level offending’ by encouraging offenders to tackle the root causes of their behaviour.

 

Cannabis users who have committed less than three crimes are eligible for the intensive programme but would be prosecuted if they failed to comply.

 

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

 

Because it's the right thing to do, and it's what he believes in? Mental I know.

 

Fair enough if he wants to take a principled stand. But if he wants to see Labour back in government, which I think he most probably does, then a bit more pragmatism might be advisable. That's all I'm saying. :dontknow:

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I get where you're coming from, but all parties jostling for the same tiny bit of the centre/right has got us the shit politics we have today. And it has also allowed the rise of parties like UKIP and the SNP who actually represent some values that normal people can relate to.

 

I'd rather see Labour in opposition for 10 years than see them follow the same old conservative line.

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

 

Because it's the right thing to do, and it's what he believes in? Mental I know.

 

Fair enough if he wants to take a principled stand. But if he wants to see Labour back in government, which I think he most probably does, then a bit more pragmatism might be advisable. That's all I'm saying. :dontknow:

 

I wouldn't want to see a Labour government with a Liz Kendall led cabinet, full of watered down Tories, that much is for certain. Cooper or Burnham I could handle but Corbyn may just be a catalyst for something bigger for the Labour party. We need to reclaim Scotland somehow from the nationalists wearing socialist clothing.I believe Corbyn is the best bet for this. We need to reclaim the North properly too. And to a lesser extent Wales. And once again he talks the talk of old school Labour, not Militant tendency Labour, but a Party more left than centre, that can hoover up the centre left and leave behind the centre right Tory lite cunts that have appeared over the past ten-fifteen years.

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