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What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?  

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  1. 1. What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?

    • Conservatives win increased majority
    • Conservatives retain small majority
    • Hung parliament
    • Labour win majority


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It isn't full of people like that. But there are too many certainly. In fact,she alone is too many.

It may not be full of people like her, but these people seem to be the ones at the top making the decisions.

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It isn't full of people like that. But there are too many certainly. In fact,she alone is too many.

It may not be full of people like her, but these people seem to be the ones at the top making the decisions.

 

We'll have to see the make-up of the Shadow Cabinet after the leader is elected. Another reason to want Corbyn elected. Get rid of the Hunts, Kendalls etc.

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

 

Because it's the right thing to do, and it's what he believes in? Mental I know.

 

Fair enough if he wants to take a principled stand. But if he wants to see Labour back in government, which I think he most probably does, then a bit more pragmatism might be advisable. That's all I'm saying. :dontknow:

 

I wouldn't want to see a Labour government with a Liz Kendall led cabinet, full of watered down Tories, that much is for certain. Cooper or Burnham I could handle but Corbyn may just be a catalyst for something bigger for the Labour party. We need to reclaim Scotland somehow from the nationalists wearing socialist clothing.I believe Corbyn is the best bet for this. We need to reclaim the North properly too. And to a lesser extent Wales. And once again he talks the talk of old school Labour, not Militant tendency Labour, but a Party more left than centre, that can hoover up the centre left and leave behind the centre right Tory lite cunts that have appeared over the past ten-fifteen years.

 

Reclaiming political territory from either SNP or UKIP is going to require a whole other sort of political gymnastics the likes of which I just can't see Corbyn being capable.  Unless he's going to engage in some borderline racist/xenophobic scapegoating, of course - which seems to be the stock in trade of both those parties. Corbyn's more of a threat to Green votes than SNP/UKIP, I'm afraid to say.

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Out of interest, why?

 

I just feel he is the only one of the 4 who would genuinely represent the disadvantaged and working class. Cooper comes next in that regard imo and Burnham just behind her.

 

Wasting your vote there, mate. What use is it him representing the disadvantaged and working class, however genuinely, if the party he's leading stands no chance of ever being in government again because his policies are all a bit hatstand?

 

Because it's the right thing to do, and it's what he believes in? Mental I know.

 

Fair enough if he wants to take a principled stand. But if he wants to see Labour back in government, which I think he most probably does, then a bit more pragmatism might be advisable. That's all I'm saying. :dontknow:

 

I wouldn't want to see a Labour government with a Liz Kendall led cabinet, full of watered down Tories, that much is for certain. Cooper or Burnham I could handle but Corbyn may just be a catalyst for something bigger for the Labour party. We need to reclaim Scotland somehow from the nationalists wearing socialist clothing.I believe Corbyn is the best bet for this. We need to reclaim the North properly too. And to a lesser extent Wales. And once again he talks the talk of old school Labour, not Militant tendency Labour, but a Party more left than centre, that can hoover up the centre left and leave behind the centre right Tory lite cunts that have appeared over the past ten-fifteen years.

 

Reclaiming political territory from either SNP or UKIP is going to require a whole other sort of political gymnastics the likes of which I just can't see Corbyn being capable.  Unless he's going to engage in some borderline racist/xenophobic scapegoating, of course - which seems to be the stock in trade of both those parties. Corbyn's more of a threat to Green votes than SNP/UKIP, I'm afraid to say.

 

 

We'll have to see, but by appealing to these former Labour voters, that have been forced away by continuous centrist politics, it seems to me to be best to move back to a traditional Labour stance, old Labour if you need a soundbite, though hopefully these soundbites will be consigned to the dustbin. I fear it may be a hypothetical argument anyhow.

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Just read on the BBC, Osborne has asked unprotected goverment departments to look for 25% or 40% cuts from their budgets.  :yikes:

 

"hey look that department cant cope anymore, better ask a private company to come in and run it"

 

 

 

Nah, it's more about Osborne engaging in power play, putting the fear into other Secretaries of State. Part of his grand plan to succeed Cameron. Yes, there'll be cuts and privatisations without doubt, but this is purely power play.

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I doubt I'll have a vote because I doubt I'll actually follow through and become a member, but if I were to I'd have to vote Corbyn.  I totally get what you're saying, GM.  The safe bet is a Cooper/Burnham win, but as we've all noticed in the various hustings, they're more of the same.  Which is just more of the same failures and failed ideas. 

 

It's all hypothetical, but I think most hope a Corbyn win would create an environment within Labour were the left-leaning MPs could begin to rise up the party, get into cabinet positions, voice a coherent message of hope.  If it's true Corbyn himself doesn't see him being leader by 2020, it's not a bad compromise have him steady the ship for a few years.  Personally, I wanted Cooper, but thought Burnham was going to be anointed. 

 

It would also force a clash of ideas in Labour.  The right of the party really do see themselves as the custodians of the brand and that should not be the case, it should be the members and those that elect them.  It would be refreshing to see what desperate lengths they'd go to to either undermine a Corbyn leadership or, according to the recent leak in the press, would actually move to usurp him as leader.  I'd hope for him to be able marginalise these people with the grassroots support he has.  Let them be the discontent right of the party, or straight-forwardly defect to the Tories. 

 

I'd love to see Cooper take over in 2-3 years, inspired by a left-leaning Labour party, freed from the shackles they've created for themselves over the last 5 years by tacitly agreeing to all welfare reforms, amongst other things.  Cooper seems decent, she has a good story, has been down on her luck in life and fought her way back.  Her coming second to Corbyn would hopefully see her shake off the economically-right facade they've had to erect.

 

Lastly, I think you may have underestimated the effect him winning would have on former Labour voters now voting SNP.  I've got many Yes/SNP voters hoping he wins, if not so they can go back to the party, then definitely to work constructively to create a progressive opposition alliance.  He'd empower compromise and cooperation, the others would pander to the Daily Mail-esque SNP hysteria.

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Just read on the BBC, Osborne has asked unprotected goverment departments to look for 25% or 40% cuts from their budgets.  :yikes:

 

"hey look that department cant cope anymore, better ask a private company to come in and run it"

 

 

 

Nah, it's more about Osborne engaging in power play, putting the fear into other Secretaries of State. Part of his grand plan to succeed Cameron. Yes, there'll be cuts and privatisations without doubt, but this is purely power play.

 

Rolling some dice already?  Its a bit early!

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Just read on the BBC, Osborne has asked unprotected goverment departments to look for 25% or 40% cuts from their budgets.  :yikes:

 

"hey look that department cant cope anymore, better ask a private company to come in and run it"

 

 

 

Nah, it's more about Osborne engaging in power play, putting the fear into other Secretaries of State. Part of his grand plan to succeed Cameron. Yes, there'll be cuts and privatisations without doubt, but this is purely power play.

 

Rolling some dice already?  Its a bit early!

 

Not really. Teresa May's been at it too, humiliating Boris in Parliament last week when she blocked his use of his rather expensive water cannons. If you add the Euro dimension into the mix, there's really no reason why Labour shouldn't be making huge dents into the Tories right now (if all else was equal and they weren't in turmoil). I mean the Tories are making such a mess of everything they touch, it's amazing they're riding as high in the polls as they are...

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Just read on the BBC, Osborne has asked unprotected goverment departments to look for 25% or 40% cuts from their budgets.  :yikes:

 

"hey look that department cant cope anymore, better ask a private company to come in and run it"

 

 

 

Nah, it's more about Osborne engaging in power play, putting the fear into other Secretaries of State. Part of his grand plan to succeed Cameron. Yes, there'll be cuts and privatisations without doubt, but this is purely power play.

 

Rolling some dice already?  Its a bit early!

 

Not really. Teresa May's been at it too, humiliating Boris in Parliament last week when she blocked his use of his rather expensive water cannons. If you add the Euro dimension into the mix, there's really no reason why Labour shouldn't be making huge dents into the Tories right now (if all else was equal and they weren't in turmoil). I mean the Tories are making such a mess of everything they touch, it's amazing they're riding as high in the polls as they are...

 

Yeah, seen the water cannon lark, seemed to be laying into Boris.  :lol: :lol:

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Just read on the BBC, Osborne has asked unprotected goverment departments to look for 25% or 40% cuts from their budgets.  :yikes:

 

"hey look that department cant cope anymore, better ask a private company to come in and run it"

 

 

 

Nah, it's more about Osborne engaging in power play, putting the fear into other Secretaries of State. Part of his grand plan to succeed Cameron. Yes, there'll be cuts and privatisations without doubt, but this is purely power play.

 

Rolling some dice already?  Its a bit early!

 

Not really. Teresa May's been at it too, humiliating Boris in Parliament last week when she blocked his use of his rather expensive water cannons. If you add the Euro dimension into the mix, there's really no reason why Labour shouldn't be making huge dents into the Tories right now (if all else was equal and they weren't in turmoil). I mean the Tories are making such a mess of everything they touch, it's amazing they're riding as high in the polls as they are...

 

Yeah, seen the water cannon lark, seemed to be laying into Boris.  :lol: :lol:

 

That's a fair point, GM.  Amazing to think May or Osborne seem like they could be the next Prime Minister. :idiot2:

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Reclaiming political territory from either SNP or UKIP is going to require a whole other sort of political gymnastics the likes of which I just can't see Corbyn being capable.  Unless he's going to engage in some borderline racist/xenophobic scapegoating, of course - which seems to be the stock in trade of both those parties. Corbyn's more of a threat to Green votes than SNP/UKIP, I'm afraid to say.

 

Not sure about this, I imagine a lot of people voted SNP because Labour no longer represented working people or opposed cuts etc. Things I would image Corbyn would encourage.

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I doubt I'll have a vote because I doubt I'll actually follow through and become a member, but if I were to I'd have to vote Corbyn. I totally get what you're saying, GM.  The safe bet is a Cooper/Burnham win, but as we've all noticed in the various hustings, they're more of the same.  Which is just more of the same failures and failed ideas. 

 

It's all hypothetical, but I think most hope a Corbyn win would create an environment within Labour were the left-leaning MPs could begin to rise up the party, get into cabinet positions, voice a coherent message of hope.  If it's true Corbyn himself doesn't see him being leader by 2020, it's not a bad compromise have him steady the ship for a few years.  Personally, I wanted Cooper, but thought Burnham was going to be anointed. 

 

It would also force a clash of ideas in Labour.  The right of the party really do see themselves as the custodians of the brand and that should not be the case, it should be the members and those that elect them.  It would be refreshing to see what desperate lengths they'd go to to either undermine a Corbyn leadership or, according to the recent leak in the press, would actually move to usurp him as leader.  I'd hope for him to be able marginalise these people with the grassroots support he has.  Let them be the discontent right of the party, or straight-forwardly defect to the Tories. 

 

I'd love to see Cooper take over in 2-3 years, inspired by a left-leaning Labour party, freed from the shackles they've created for themselves over the last 5 years by tacitly agreeing to all welfare reforms, amongst other things.  Cooper seems decent, she has a good story, has been down on her luck in life and fought her way back.  Her coming second to Corbyn would hopefully see her shake off the economically-right facade they've had to erect.

 

Lastly, I think you may have underestimated the effect him winning would have on former Labour voters now voting SNP.  I've got many Yes/SNP voters hoping he wins, if not so they can go back to the party, then definitely to work constructively to create a progressive opposition alliance.  He'd empower compromise and cooperation, the others would pander to the Daily Mail-esque SNP hysteria.

 

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Definitely think Corbyn would do better in Scotland, think SNP wouldn't know what to do. I've got card-carrying SNP member mates who adore Corbyn. Corbyn could make them a one-issue party again to most.

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