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What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?  

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  1. 1. What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?

    • Conservatives win increased majority
    • Conservatives retain small majority
    • Hung parliament
    • Labour win majority


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Nothing outrageous in that Corbyn document.

 

A lot of very earnest hot air and rhetoric in there, but how it would translate into actual, effective policy remains highly questionable, i.e. he means well, I think, but I'm not sure he understands how difficult it would be to achieve "tax justice" (as he calls it). It's a bit too airy-fairy, motherhood and apple pie, really - isn't it?

 

Oh aye, it's all very hopeful and I know it'll be spun into several different distortions to make him look like a loony, but it's a decent outline of what Labour and its supporters should be fighting for.  Making a case to your neighbours, your friends, your family, strangers on the bus.  It's got to be a grassroots endeavor because he's going to get slaughtered in the media no matter what is the case.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

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The target on his back line of logic speaks volumes about our democracy.

 

I think any man who is seeking to run the Labour party (and by definition the country), should have to explain his stance on organisations that have killed, maimed and butchered in the name of their chosen ideology. Although in a fairer world, he would be allowed to explain himself and people would be allowed to judge him themselves accordingly, we all know that should he win though, certain elements of the press will bring it up almost daily.

 

Like Thatcher had to explain why General Pinochet was in London? As her guest?

A mass-murdering lunatic, by the way.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

 

You're a bit of an arsehole, aren't you?

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Nothing outrageous in that Corbyn document.

 

A lot of very earnest hot air and rhetoric in there, but how it would translate into actual, effective policy remains highly questionable, i.e. he means well, I think, but I'm not sure he understands how difficult it would be to achieve "tax justice" (as he calls it). It's a bit too airy-fairy, motherhood and apple pie, really - isn't it?

 

Oh aye, it's all very hopeful and I know it'll be spun into several different distortions to make him look like a loony, but it's a decent outline of what Labour and its supporters should be fighting for.  Making a case to your neighbours, your friends, your family, strangers on the bus.  It's got to be a grassroots endeavor because he's going to get slaughtered in the media no matter what is the case.

 

Grassroots is the way he needs to go if he's going to be successful. It's a nonsense to say that he can't be successful, if he was to emulate the tactics of the Yes campaign/SNP then he could get very close to government quite easily, by engaging the politically-dispossessed.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

 

You're a bit of an arsehole, aren't you?

 

Ooooh, diddums.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

 

You're a bit of an arsehole, aren't you?

 

And you, sir, seem to be a northern, working-class Tory.

You CAN'T get any worse than that...

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

 

You're a bit of an arsehole, aren't you?

 

And you, sir, seem to be a northern, working-class Tory.

You CAN'T get any worse than that...

 

1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.

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For me as an English voter the SNP come across really well. Independence aside, I've heard some good things from their MPs. Reminds you that the UK isn't as right wing as it's tempting to believe.

 

I agree, but a lot of their rhetoric actually lost Labour as much votes as it gained them.  Not talking about Scotland by the way.  Sturgeon constantly banging on about an anti-Tory alliance put fear into much of the English electorate, and understandably so.  Anyway, sod them, but their tactics could be of use to Labour.  If he wins, would make for an interesting Scottish election period.  Although Scottish Labour still seem in disarray.

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For me as an English voter the SNP come across really well. Independence aside, I've heard some good things from their MPs. Reminds you that the UK isn't as right wing as it's tempting to believe.

 

I agree, but a lot of their rhetoric actually lost Labour as much votes as it gained them.  Not talking about Scotland by the way.  Sturgeon constantly banging on about an anti-Tory alliance put fear into much of the English electorate, and understandably so.  Anyway, sod them, but their tactics could be of use to Labour.  If he wins, would make for an interesting Scottish election period.  Although Scottish Labour still seem in disarray.

 

I agree they cost Labour, but to me that's not necessarily a negative. At least not in terms of showing the kind of messages that can be successful. A left-leaning Labour Party could feasibly claw back a decent amount of that ground. They might even attract a few of the MPs.

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Blair's absolutely right. He saved the Labour Party, had traditional Tories everywhere voting for moderate policies because they were absolute convinced it was the right thing for every aspect of society. Since his beytral the party's gone so far backwards it rightly finds itself 99 seats behind the Conservatives. This will only continue with someone like Corbyn, as well intentioned as he may be.

 

Tories only care about themselves FFS...

 

You're a bit of an arsehole, aren't you?

 

And you, sir, seem to be a northern, working-class Tory.

You CAN'T get any worse than that...

 

As if Labour have a god given right to the North of England's voters :lol:

 

I'd say it's more shameful to blindly vote for a party because of where you happen to born. . . . be a Lion not a Sheep :lol:

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

 

The SNP make "the English" the scapegoats for all of Scotlands problems while the UKIP make immigrants the scapegoats for all of Britains problems.

It is the politics of division and creating fear and resentment of "the other".

It is the politics of division and is an old trick of ugly nationalism.   

 

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

 

The SNP make "the English" the scapegoats for all of Scotlands problems while the UKIP make immigrants the scapegoats for all of Britains problems.

It is the politics of division and creating fear and resentment of "the other".

It is the politics of division and is an old trick of ugly nationalism.   

 

 

That is one aspect of their policies that I dislike. But I wouldn't say it's the defining thing. I am English though, so how the SNP behave at home is a mystery to me.

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

 

The SNP make "the English" the scapegoats for all of Scotlands problems while the UKIP make immigrants the scapegoats for all of Britains problems.

It is the politics of division and creating fear and resentment of "the other".

It is the politics of division and is an old trick of ugly nationalism.   

 

 

That is one aspect of their policies that I dislike. But I wouldn't say it's the defining thing. I am English though, so how the SNP behave at home is a mystery to me.

 

Someone summed the SNP up quite well for me recently, regarding their time up here:

 

1. Trash Labour at every given chance. 

2. Talk about socialist policies 24/7.

3. Implement none of it.

 

I'd say that's only been the last 3 years they're like that.

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Interesting, happy to admit I don't know anything about them in Scotland.

 

I guess point 1 was an electoral tactic, which I hate but seems to have worked. 2, good in general. 3 is where the real problem is, if they've genuinely had a chance to implement these policies and decided not to.

 

My point was more what they've managed to achieve with a broadly socialist message. Obviously if it was Labour I would want the implementation too, not just the talk. But the talk is the groundwork.

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

 

The SNP make "the English" the scapegoats for all of Scotlands problems while the UKIP make immigrants the scapegoats for all of Britains problems.

It is the politics of division and creating fear and resentment of "the other".

It is the politics of division and is an old trick of ugly nationalism.   

 

 

That is one aspect of their policies that I dislike. But I wouldn't say it's the defining thing. I am English though, so how the SNP behave at home is a mystery to me.

 

Someone summed the SNP up quite well for me recently, regarding their time up here:

 

1. Trash Labour at every given chance. 

2. Talk about socialist policies 24/7.

3. Implement none of it.

 

I'd say that's only been the last 3 years they're like that.

You missed

 

4. Cover up the fact that you're making a mess of things in Scottish Government by repeating 1 to 3 ad nauseum.

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The target on his back line of logic speaks volumes about our democracy.

 

I think any man who is seeking to run the Labour party (and by definition the country), should have to explain his stance on organisations that have killed, maimed and butchered in the name of their chosen ideology. Although in a fairer world, he would be allowed to explain himself and people would be allowed to judge him themselves accordingly, we all know that should he win though, certain elements of the press will bring it up almost daily.

 

Like Thatcher had to explain why General Pinochet was in London? As her guest?

A mass-murdering lunatic, by the way.

 

What is this lefty bingo? :lol:

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Definitely, the SNP and UKIP have shown the desire for an alternative message. And they've all had to fight against media attacks too. It's not impossible.

 

Trouble being that in the case of the SNP it's all smoke and mirrors. Their message is no more 'alternative' than presenting everything that's wrong with society today with a sprinkling of Anglophobic scapegoating. But tactically, yeah, there's scope for a grassroots groundswell to be generated for Corbyn's key messages.

 

The SNP make "the English" the scapegoats for all of Scotlands problems while the UKIP make immigrants the scapegoats for all of Britains problems.

It is the politics of division and creating fear and resentment of "the other".

It is the politics of division and is an old trick of ugly nationalism.   

 

 

That is one aspect of their policies that I dislike. But I wouldn't say it's the defining thing. I am English though, so how the SNP behave at home is a mystery to me.

 

Someone summed the SNP up quite well for me recently, regarding their time up here:

 

1. Trash Labour at every given chance. 

2. Talk about socialist policies 24/7.

3. Implement none of it.

 

I'd say that's only been the last 3 years they're like that.

You missed

 

4. Cover up the fact that you're making a mess of things in Scottish Government by repeating 1 to 3 ad nauseum.

 

Fair point. :thup:

 

All the good that gets done, they claim.  When shit goes bad, revert back to SNP founding principles, England's fault. 

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The target on his back line of logic speaks volumes about our democracy.

 

I think any man who is seeking to run the Labour party (and by definition the country), should have to explain his stance on organisations that have killed, maimed and butchered in the name of their chosen ideology. Although in a fairer world, he would be allowed to explain himself and people would be allowed to judge him themselves accordingly, we all know that should he win though, certain elements of the press will bring it up almost daily.

 

Like Thatcher had to explain why General Pinochet was in London? As her guest?

A mass-murdering lunatic, by the way.

 

What is this lefty bingo? [emoji38]

No, it's very clearly (to all but the most ignorant of buffoons) a riposte to your earlier histrionics about Corbyn's associations with Hamas etc. Anyone would think you're only here for the fishing the war you react...

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