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She's an example, if you needed it, of academic smarts not being the same as common sense. You're rich and famous, people are lining up figurateivly and literally to lick your feet, so you spend weeks/months arguing with weirdos on social media and getting yourself into a right state over it.

 

 

I'm probably alone on here in thinking that Corbyn being leader has caused a rise in antisemitism in labour, though obviously it is being weaponised by his opponents, that's not unusual. Fringe political groups have always used Jews as a bogeyman, whether it's white supremecists, communists, Islamists, or black nationalists, the one thing that they all seem to agree on is that Jews are bad. Corbyn has attracted fringe groups to the party, there is a reason he was backed at the election by the communist party. He has also invited people that are/were communists and anarchists into his inner circle, not to mention his history of being paid to work for Iranian state tv, or appearing to be chummy with groups that actually want Jews wiped out. It's also very obvious how some left wing groups have a massive hard on for Israel, there is an obsession with Israel/Palestine, which seems to lead them to pester random Jewish famous people like David Baddiel on social media, accusing them of being paid by Israel while claiming that they're only being "anti-zionist". With some people Israel are the only game in town, not Tibet or China, not Russia, or any of the countless other fucked up situations out there. They choose the worlds only Jewish state to focus their ire on. I'm not pro-Israel at all btw, they've committed war crimes and sometimes behave like nutters, but I don't feel the need to give them special attention.

 

He hasn't really done much to dissuade the weirdos in his party, I suspect he believes it's a media agenda like everything else. Plus he is clearly very loyal to those that have his back, no matter how disagreeable they are.

 

It's so much more than a media agenda, it's a political agenda. The fact that both agenda's conveniently align should be a sign of something. Corbyn is putting his faith in the public (as any good socialist would) seeing through the nonsense. Could be his biggest mistake, because we all know the public are just smart enough to think everybody else is dumb enough to need the tories in charge.

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It's being reported that the tories have suspended 12 members for islamophobia.

 

Daily Mail editors are currently locked in a room somewhere with a whiteboard trying to work out how they can blame that on Labour being Anti-Semitic.

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She's an example, if you needed it, of academic smarts not being the same as common sense. You're rich and famous, people are lining up figurateivly and literally to lick your feet, so you spend weeks/months arguing with weirdos on social media and getting yourself into a right state over it.

 

 

I'm probably alone on here in thinking that Corbyn being leader has caused a rise in antisemitism in labour, though obviously it is being weaponised by his opponents, that's not unusual. Fringe political groups have always used Jews as a bogeyman, whether it's white supremecists, communists, Islamists, or black nationalists, the one thing that they all seem to agree on is that Jews are bad. Corbyn has attracted fringe groups to the party, there is a reason he was backed at the election by the communist party. He has also invited people that are/were communists and anarchists into his inner circle, not to mention his history of being paid to work for Iranian state tv, or appearing to be chummy with groups that actually want Jews wiped out. It's also very obvious how some left wing groups have a massive hard on for Israel, there is an obsession with Israel/Palestine, which seems to lead them to pester random Jewish famous people like David Baddiel on social media, accusing them of being paid by Israel while claiming that they're only being "anti-zionist". With some people Israel are the only game in town, not Tibet or China, not Russia, or any of the countless other fucked up situations out there. They choose the worlds only Jewish state to focus their ire on. I'm not pro-Israel at all btw, they've committed war crimes and sometimes behave like nutters, but I don't feel the need to give them special attention.

 

He hasn't really done much to dissuade the weirdos in his party, I suspect he believes it's a media agenda like everything else. Plus he is clearly very loyal to those that have his back, no matter how disagreeable they are.

 

Agree with this completely. I don't think Corbyn is racist, I just think he is thick as ****. And for all the reasons you state.

 

The rise in anti-semitism in Labour recently is a side show but it has happened on his watch because those close to him have a weird obsession with Israel and have this one sided view that everything in that part of the world is their fault and backed by the US and other capitalist powers which the fringes of the far left despise.

 

The issue of Israel/Palestine does not fit into a nice neat good guy vs bad guy argument so I can only conceptualise that certain factions that are now very noisy in the Labour movement use that particular conflict, whilst not giving same prominence to other injustices in the world, to rile against large capitalist nations because it does not fit their politics.

 

As I've said before on this thread. Most normal people (rightly or wrongly) in the UK just don't care about that particular conflict and will only see the bad apples in the labour movement weaponising it with antisemitic nonsense. Regardless of whether you think Corbyn is antisemitic (I don't think he is) for the reasons Kimbo has highlighted his past, his friends and his previous links makes it more difficult for him to neutralise the situation.

 

 

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I keep seeing people say that there's a weird obsession with Israel etc, that "what about the other conflicts?", well quite. 

 

Please tell, what other conflict has there been that has lasted 70s years? 

Has an overwhelming military force occupy another territory and make fuck all progress in those territories in that 70 years and still blame the occupied peoples for that? 

Has ignored EVERY UN resolution condemning it and ordering it to stop? 

A conflict that had it been ended when the Arab world demanded resolution in the 70s, we may not have had the devastating effects of the overnight oil hike prices of the 70s by the Saudis that crashed the world economy, and sent the established orders of Western nations into freefall, giving the rise to Thatcher and Reagan economics?  But that was a price worth paying for the establishment politicians.

What other nations are sniping at children, doctors, nurses, amputees on its border? 

What other country is allowed to rewrite its established borders? 

 

There is so much more. 

 

I mean seriously here, I'm all for rational discussion on this, but that point is total bullshit.  There's no comparable situation, and anyone that knows their fucking history, or claims to, knows the serious effect this specific conflict has had not just on the region, but the world economy and, now, is reaching into our own fucking free speech laws.  Wake up, for fucksake.  Sorry like, I really am, enjoy talking to you both, but that dismissal is absolutely absurd. 

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What do you want like? A list of conflicts that go back decades? Because they do exist. Whether it be civil wars in Africa or continuing conflicts like Turkey and the Kurds? Do I have to find something that is exactly the same because I'm not sure what it will prove but what I find indisputable is the lefts obsession with the Israeli Palistian conflict.

 

You, in my mind anyway, confirm the problem with this conflict in that those of a position that is beyond left of centre see Israel as the only agressor.  There is literally no balance other than Israel is evil. I mean literally Hamas used to advocate killing Jews, it was in their charter. We can go round in circles and I frankly can't be bothered going over the history but the conflict is far from one sided. Does that mean Israel is not guilty of war crimes or even the main agressor. Well no it doesn't but they have a democratically elected government that has evolved and reacted over the years to existential threats from its neighbours. If you take the view that all this is bull then fine but I do not think it fair or balanced. The UN, as I have stated has not helped itself. As you will be aware over three quarters of country specific General Assembly resolutions and all human rights council resolutions are about the middle east with most of these decisions criticising Israel for its oppression of Palestinians. All this whilst accepting countries with questionably records in Human Rights to the UNHRC. It has willfully ignored other countries human rights issues which has lead to criticism of its reports. I've no doubt Israel has cases to answer but the UN's structure in allowing its reports to be less than impartially means we cannot rely on their reports sadly.

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Depends what people mean by a “rise in anti-semitism” with in the Labour Party, I mean there are more people in the Labour Party. As a % anti Semitism has gone down.

 

Also what are we defining as anti semitism.

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I'd love to know how the pertinent point in the whole affair is the left's supposed obsession with it when it's blatantly inescapable and there are plenty on the right who are interested in it too. There are so many ties with Israel specifically with both the UK and the US that you can't really ignore it.

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I give up.  There's literally no point.

 

You, in my mind anyway, confirm the problem with this conflict in that those of a position that is beyond left of centre see Israel as the only agressor.  There is literally no balance other than Israel is evil.

 

Shame you think that, I don't want to speak for people, but I hope most would give me credit for being fairly balanced on most things.  I've not onced sang the praises of Hamas etc, so just fuck off with that sort of shite absolutely fuck off with it. 

 

If you care about it, you unreasonably do so because there are other conflicts in the world (ignoring the fact there's no other conflict going that has had as many reverberations around the region and world right now).  Just as well the white ruling class of South Africa never had this sort of PR machine, they'd bat apartheid criticism away with such ease these days.  Can't do anything Nelson, there's actually other things going on in the world right now, you selfish terrorist prick, think of them for once, it's not all one sided you know.

 

Probably worth saying I did have a girlfriend that was half-Palestinian, but that'll probably just make me even more antisemitic.  So at what point are we allowed to care about Israel?  Once it finally follows through with the full annexation of the West Bank?  Or will there be other conflicts going on we can deflect that inconvenience away with. 

 

At what point does us saying what Israel is doing is bad, and that Palestine should have a viable state of some sort become a wrong position to take?  That's like the international order's own analysis and ambition and had been until Trump arrived and two-state solution has been conveniently bumped from rhetoric.  Again, we highlight that, and we're being unreasonably obsessed.  Get to fuck.

 

QuakesMag[/member] - this is the sort of shit we have going on over here right at the same time the exact same thing is happening over there.  How weird, eh.

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It's being reported that the tories have suspended 12 members for islamophobia.

 

Daily Mail editors are currently locked in a room somewhere with a whiteboard trying to work out how they can blame that on Labour being Anti-Semitic.

 

Freedland in The Guardian saying, 'Yes, we know the Tories are much more racist, but we expect it from them'.

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What do you want like? A list of conflicts that go back decades? Because they do exist. Whether it be civil wars in Africa or continuing conflicts like Turkey and the Kurds? Do I have to find something that is exactly the same because I'm not sure what it will prove but what I find indisputable is the lefts obsession with the Israeli Palistian conflict.

 

You, in my mind anyway, confirm the problem with this conflict in that those of a position that is beyond left of centre see Israel as the only agressor.  There is literally no balance other than Israel is evil. I mean literally Hamas used to advocate killing Jews, it was in their charter. We can go round in circles and I frankly can't be bothered going over the history but the conflict is far from one sided. Does that mean Israel is not guilty of war crimes or even the main agressor. Well no it doesn't but they have a democratically elected government that has evolved and reacted over the years to existential threats from its neighbours. If you take the view that all this is bull then fine but I do not think it fair or balanced. The UN, as I have stated has not helped itself. As you will be aware over three quarters of country specific General Assembly resolutions and all human rights council resolutions are about the middle east with most of these decisions criticising Israel for its oppression of Palestinians. All this whilst accepting countries with questionably records in Human Rights to the UNHRC. It has willfully ignored other countries human rights issues which has lead to criticism of its reports. I've no doubt Israel has cases to answer but the UN's structure in allowing its reports to be less than impartially means we cannot rely on their reports sadly.

 

It was Benjamin Netanyahu's bulldozing of a Mosque in Israel that indirectly led to the 9/11 attacks.

So, decisions taken - however lightly - by an Israeli leader will always impact the world for decades.

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For the record, Israel has the right to exist and no one should ever be arguing that it shouldn't.  It wasn't brought about in the best of ways, particularly the Balfour declaration given the reasons so often given for its existence being the Holocaust, in the end it doesn't matter, what countries are created in perfect situations?  It's here now and going nowhere.  Palestine deserve that same chance too. 

 

There's definitely hidden antisemites on the Left/Pro-Palestine side, just as there are white nationalists and virulent racists hiding behind Israel's right to defend itself at all cost (because it's against muslims and or brown people).  If we're going to start digging into to look at one, let's just open the whole fucking truth.

 

But done with this, here anyway.  If you can't have a discussion without being called obsessed or part of the problem, it's not a discussion worth having.

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For the record, Israel has the right to exist and no one should ever be arguing that it shouldn't.  It wasn't brought about in the best of ways, particularly the Balfour declaration given the reasons so often given for its existence being the Holocaust, in the end it doesn't matter, what countries are created in perfect situations?  It's here now and going nowhere.  Palestine deserve that same chance too. 

 

There's definitely hidden antisemites on the Left/Pro-Palestine side, just as there are white nationalists and virulent racists hiding behind Israel's right to defend itself at all cost (because it's against muslims and or brown people).  If we're going to start digging into to look at one, let's just open the whole fucking truth.

 

But done with this, here anyway.  If you can't have a discussion without being called obsessed or part of the problem, it's not a discussion worth having.

 

Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places but I’ve not heard many people deny Israel it’s existence. Most seem to be the same as me and think that their foreign policies and treatment of Palestinians is disgusting. That seems enough to label you as AS.

 

Don’t you worry, Israel is well experienced at defending itself and will be behind a lot of the anti Semitic stuff being flung at Labour and Corbyn

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Shame you think that, I don't want to speak for people, but I hope most would give me credit for being fairly balanced on most things.  I've not onced sang the praises of Hamas etc, so just fuck off with that sort of shite absolutely fuck off with it. 

 

I'm failing to see any criticism of Hamas either which is my point. Its simply ranting about the ills of Israel. I'm not sure where this argument gets us other than it adds weight to my theory that the lefts obsession with this conflict allows extreme elements to perpetuate antisemitic nonsense. Most countries in the world want a two state solution but ranting about the atrocities it has committed whilst ignoring undoubted Palestianian killings against Israelis either from suicide bombings or rocket launches into areas where Israelis are (even if those areas are 'occupied').

 

I mean if you need any further proof of the obsession with Israel being to blame for everything, apparently according to KingKerouac they were to blame for 911. A clear example of this obsession with Israel being allowed to perpetuate conspiracy theories against a Jewish state.

 

 

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Look, some of us have been here years.  We can't constantly make the same comments, I've made enough about Hamas being vile, that the suicide bombings against children and innocents is and was repellant.  There was a time before Hamas, when even then Israel refused to negotiate.  Let's also look at the fact that in the 90s when one of their most loved PMs had nearly secured a genuine two-state solution with borders and all, he was assassinated for his troubles. 

 

But I'm done, you're not interested in a discussion, but just labelling people.

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https://mondoweiss.net/2019/03/unfounded-allegations-apartheid/

 

Takes an Israeli newspaper to say what we're not allowed to say anymore.

 

In the small, American Jewish community where I grew up, I never heard criticisms of Israel, or experienced anti-Semitism. And yet I was frequently reminded by my Hebrew and Sunday school teachers of the anti-Semitic hatred that Jews had endured throughout the ages, and especially during the holocaust. My grandmother explained, sometimes tearfully, how her family had lost touch with cousins, aunts and uncles in the “old country” during the Second World War, never to hear from them again.

 

But the narrative did not end there. Israel, I was told, was the only country that Jews could truly regard as safe. Indeed, Jews had a “birth-right” to return to the “Land of Israel”. Based on vague, biblical justifications I was told that we were the “chosen people”.

 

As a teenager, I found the claim of Israel to be the Jewish ancestral homeland very strange and unconvincing, particularly as my parents had been active in the anti-racist civil rights movement. This feeling was strengthened after I traveled to Israel-Palestine in the mid-1980s. On the eve of what became known as the first Palestinian uprising against settler-colonial domination, I observed widespread fear and blatant discrimination directed against those who were not Jewish, while I simultaneously experienced the touching hospitality of Palestinians. Later, as a young lawyer, working in apartheid South Africa in the early 1990s I again observed widespread fear and discrimination, directed against those who were not white, which reminded me of what I had experienced in Israel-Palestine.

 

After this last experience, I found the Zionist claim to justifiably dominate another people on the basis of Jewish suffering to echo the claim by white Nationalists in South Africa, who justified racial apartheid in South Africa on the basis of Afrikaaner suffering.

 

Accompanying the Zionist narrative, a further pro-Israel claim emerged in the late 1990s; referred to as the “new anti-Semitism”, it was argued that criticisms of Israel were a new form of expressing hatred against the Jews. This claim persists, maintained by an assortment of lawfare organisations and Israel-lobby groups, even though it is now strongly questioned by many Jews, including the Israeli film-maker Yoav Shamir who produced an award-winning documentary on this topic.

 

As I will discuss in this article, which complements another recent article in Mondoweiss by Jonathan Cook, both claims are not only appallingly hypocritical; they also serve as a shameless defence of Israeli apartheid.

 

Conflating Criticisms Of Israel With Anti-Semitism

The claim that criticisms of Israel amount to anti-Semitism is not new, but as Cook also observed, this most recently makes reference to a so-called “Working Definition of Antisemitism”. Drafted in 2016, this definition emanates from a group called the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA), including vague and far-reaching conflations between criticisms of Israel and references to the holocaust.

 

The IHRA definition has emboldened Zionist organizations like Labour Friends of Israel and the Jewish Chronicle to equate criticisms of Israel as explicitly “Jew hate”. These groups have gone to such lengths as to smear Hajo Meyer, a Jewish survivor of Auschwitz, after he spoke at a Labour party rally where he made comparisons between the Nazi regime – that he had witnessed first-hand – and his observations of Israeli policies.

 

Two recent incidents clearly highlight the danger of equating criticisms of Israel with hatred of Jews.

 

The Departure Of Labour Party Members

The first incident is the departure by members of the UK Labour party, led by Luciana Berger, amidst allegations that the party has somehow become “institutionally anti-Semitic”. This claim is almost exclusively related to the party leader Jeremy Corbyn’s well-aimed criticisms of the Israeli government and military.

 

Astonishingly, it has hardly been mentioned in any article that the seven Labour Party members who have decided to leave are all closely tied with Labour Friends of Israel, an avowedly pro-Israel organisation. Berger is its former director.

 

Finkielkraut And The Yellow Vests

The second incident is more complicated, concerning alleged ‘anti-Semitic abuse’ levied by ‘some’ members of the gilet jaunes (yellow vests) movement in France against the French philosopher Alain Finkielkraut. While the majority of newspapers reported that Finkielkraut was derided as a “Dirty Zionist”, the Jerusalem Post decided to report that he had in fact been called a “Dirty Jew”.

 

French president Emmanuel Macron has never wavered in condemning the yellow vests as anti-Semitic. Setting aside the political convenience for Macron of explicitly siding against the yellow vest movement, the claims of anti-Semitism and the unprofessional reporting of the Finkielkraut incident are striking.

 

First of all, the seamless way in which reporters of the Jerusalem Post equated hatred for a “Zionist” as hatred for “Jews” went largely unnoticed. This is not to deny that criticism of Israel or its supporters can potentially be anti-Semitic as well, but for the Post reporters to misappropriate language in this way was both unprofessional and highly inflammatory.

 

Another striking aspect has been the absence of references, both in Israeli and in international media sources, to Finkielkraut’s frequently-expressed, bigoted views. This is highly relevant since Finkielkraut had – after for some time supporting the yellow vest movement for economic justice – all of a sudden decided to denounce it. Finkielkraut’s expressions of bigotry are very consistent with his record of posturing and highly-selective views of who matters and who doesn’t.

 

Hardly any reporters have noted the French philosopher’s positions as being simultaneously pro-Israel and Islamophobic. Speaking of the “problem of Islam”, Finkielkraut has argued that, due to an increase in Muslim immigrants, France has been “disintegrating in front of our eyes”. In the same interview, he claimed that “what holds us all together as Jews” is common to all political persuasions: “the secular, the religious, the Peace Now crowd, the Greater Land of Israel crowd”.

 

In addition to his Islamophobia and passionate support of Israel, Finkielkraut is overtly racist. In 2005, there were nationwide protests in poor, mainly-immigrant neighbourhoods of Paris. Finkielkraut, in an interview with the Israeli paper Ha’aretz, dismissed the legitimacy of the protests as being anti-France. He expressed his derision at the national soccer team of France for being “black-black-black”. He even claimed to be “colour blind”, yet argued colonialism had brought “civilization to the savages”.

 

Clearly there is a problem of anti-Semitism in Europe. One need look no further than the desecration of Jewish graves with swastikas.  However, why do politicians all of a sudden care so much about anti-Semitism? Could it be that the true aim of vacuous, yet highly damaging allegations of anti-Semitism is to avoid a critical dialogue on Israel’s policies of apartheid against Palestinians?

 

The Many Forms Of Apartheid Israel

While there is still widespread ignorance among most people in the West, as most readers of Mondoweiss will know by now, apartheid in Israel takes many forms. One more obvious form it takes is in the overt racism enshrined in Israel’s 2018 “Nation-State law” that discontinued Arabic as an official language and that is now being challenged in Court. Another obvious form is Israel’s continued blockade and frequent bombing of the trapped residents of Gaza (since 2005). That treatment is currently the subject of a preliminary examination by the International Criminal Court and has also been investigated by the United Nations, which has called for criminal investigations into the killings of protestors at the Gaza border beginning last March.

 

As explained by human rights organisations such as Al-Haq and Palestinian Center for Human Rights, further argued by international law scholars John Dugard and John Reynolds and elaborated in a UN report, apartheid also takes the form of literally hundreds of insidious Israeli military orders. This includes Order 101 that has been specifically condemned by Amnesty International as making it impossible for Palestinians to legally protest. Israeli regulations make it virtually impossible for Palestinians to build a home. This is due to the fact that Israel’s land and zoning regulations are, according to Israel’s Basic Law, oriented around “preserving” the land for Israel’s Jewish inhabitants.

 

But the most insidious manifestations of Israeli apartheid are the decades-long, everyday experiences of Palestinians. Farmers have to stand in long lines to reach their sheep in the agricultural village of Qalandia (that is surrounded by a high, concrete wall). Schoolchildren in Hebron cannot walk to school without being stopped daily by soldiers at a military checkpoint to check the contents of their schoolbags. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination Against Women has heard numerous cases of official abuse against Palestinian women, including a seven-month pregnant woman assaulted at a checkpoint.

 

So again, why are these widely-reported examples of Israeli apartheid being ignored?

 

Strange alliances

One plausible explanation for why Israeli apartheid is being ignored is due to numerous strange alliances that have been forming between Israel and an assortment of hate groups worldwide (who have no problem with apartheid).

 

Israel’s strange alliances have matched the rise of progressive Jewish organisations based on principles of equality and dignity, such as Jewish Voice for Peace, which amplify a growing trend of Jewish communities worldwide who are speaking out against Israel.

 

Faced with withering support among Jewish communities, Israel and its supporters have sought out alliances with groups traditionally professing anti-Semitic views, a pattern that is, indeed, consistent with Finkielkraut’s own Islamophobic and racist views.

 

Oddly paralleling the emergence of the “new anti-Semitism” mantra, Israel has found support among an assortment of far-right, anti-immigration, Islamophobic organisations throughout Europe. These include the Party of Freedom (PVV) in the Netherlands, an ethno-nationalist party founded by its Islamophobic leader, Geert Wilders, which has declared its unconditional support for Israel. The membership of the Front National in France have long cultivated anti-Semitic views, but the party has re-branded itself as a supporter of Israel under the leadership of Marine Le Pen (the daughter of Holocaust denier Jean-Marie Le Pen).

 

Support for Israel as a Jewish State also comes from millions of Christian evangelicals worldwide, who promote a narrative of rapture in the holy land. The rapture narrative represents a profound hatred of Jews, and it is proselytised by politically well-connected pastors such as Robert Jefress, who claim that Jews are “going to hell” along with other non-born-again Christians. Support from Christian evangelical groups is particularly important for Israel in countries such as the Netherlands where evangelism is the fastest growing religious group.

 

Meanwhile, Israel has been busy courting Hungary and other East-European nations. This is particularly astonishing. How can it be that a country, ostensibly dedicated to the interests of Jews, aligns itself with the likes of Hungarian President Victor Orban, who has not only referred to refugees as “Muslim invaders”, but has also routinely uttered anti-Semitic slogans against George Soros for political gain?

 

And finally, there are ostensibly-liberal groups with respectable-sounding names, such as Labour Friends of Israel in the UK, Centre for Information and Documentation on Israel (CIDI) in the Netherlands, IHRA and others. These groups are all the more insidious because of their claim to liberal values and their professed support for a two-state solution. Like many liberal groups in Israel, they maintain strict silence on Israel’s apartheid regime.

 

At the heart of these groups’ complicity of silence — whether that entails maintaining a racist assumption that Jews are more deserving of the land of Israel than its indigenous inhabitants or in assuming the need for an alliance between Israel and Christian evangelicals, not to mention echoing the views of right-wing ethno-nationalist groups and other racist regimes — is maintaining support for a country that is unabashedly committed to apartheid. 

 

The shameless political opportunism of Berger, Macron and of the Israeli government must be exposed. By preventing a critical dialogue on apartheid in Israel and falsely equating criticisms of Israel with anti-Semitism, Israel and its supporters – including Labour Friends of Israel – are not addressing anti-Semitism. They are actively fueling it.

 

Just like those who turned a blind eye for decades to apartheid in South Africa, the efforts of IHRA, Labour Friends of Israel, CIDI and other groups in Europe to cover-up, rather than condemn Israeli apartheid will place them all on the wrong side of history.

 

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Distraction complete even on here.

 

Theresa May is claiming that the rise in knife crime isn’t down to the reduction in police numbers while we’re arguing about this.

 

Given she loved getting stuck into those public sector cuts, because they steal our money, it can't be her fault so she's got to blame someone. Might as well be them.

 

Ideally for her, they'd all be in London, so she could blame Khan but it seems to be a growing nationwide problem.

 

It's a tough one for the blues. The people dying will likely never vote for them so who gives a shit but it's reflecting bad on them as the party of 'Law and Order'.

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Look, some of us have been here years.  We can't constantly make the same comments, I've made enough about Hamas being vile, that the suicide bombings against children and innocents is and was repellant.  There was a time before Hamas, when even then Israel refused to negotiate.  Let's also look at the fact that in the 90s when one of their most loved PMs had nearly secured a genuine two-state solution with borders and all, he was assassinated for his troubles. 

 

But I'm done, you're not interested in a discussion, but just labelling people.

 

The first paragraph is fair enough, the second just churlish. For a start I'm not the one who has been abusive, I've put forward a point of view that this complex situation between Israel and Palestine is hi-jacked by those on the real hard left that Corbyn has cosied up to in the past. Corbyn unfortunately because of his past relationships with these groups does not make him the best person to be able to crack down on it. Especially when, as shown yesterday, it looks like those close to the leader have had an input in dealing with those members who have allegedly made antisemitic comments.

 

Anyway, we are never going to agree on this without an unhealthy argument seemingly so I'm done.

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https://mondoweiss.net/2019/03/unfounded-allegations-apartheid/

 

Takes an Israeli newspaper to say what we're not allowed to say anymore.

 

 

Seems pretty much spot on. As far as I'm concerned genuine antisemites are a very small minority, the criticisms of Israel are very large and completely justified. As you know I would stick up for almost any oppressed and abused ethnic or religious group, so I have no interest in criticising Jewish people. In fact I grew up near a large orthodox Jewish community in Gateshead and really respect everything I know about Judaism and Jewish heritage.

 

Like I said before, Israel seems to enjoy a special status as far as the UK and US states are concerned, which makes it even more incredible. Then you add the left-wing desire to stand up for an oppressed people (Palestinians) against a controlling and brutal state. I don't think the position is surprising or unjustified at all.

 

Also shame we have to be talking about this instead of our actual problems.

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