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Look, some of us have been here years.  We can't constantly make the same comments, I've made enough about Hamas being vile, that the suicide bombings against children and innocents is and was repellant.  There was a time before Hamas, when even then Israel refused to negotiate.  Let's also look at the fact that in the 90s when one of their most loved PMs had nearly secured a genuine two-state solution with borders and all, he was assassinated for his troubles. 

 

But I'm done, you're not interested in a discussion, but just labelling people.

 

The first paragraph is fair enough, the second just churlish. For a start I'm not the one who has been abusive, I've put forward a point of view that this complex situation between Israel and Palestine is hi-jacked by those on the real hard left that Corbyn has cosied up to in the past. Corbyn unfortunately because of his past relationships with these groups does not make him the best person to be able to crack down on it. Especially when, as shown yesterday, it looks like those close to the leader have had an input in dealing with those members who have allegedly made antisemitic comments.

 

Anyway, we are never going to agree on this without an unhealthy argument seemingly so I'm done.

 

You might not have used any naughty words, but you've certainly made a lot of insulting judgements on people on here that you don't know i.e. labelling people, which resulted in an abusive, some might say understandably abusive, response.

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You might not have used any naughty words, but you've certainly made a lot of insulting judgements on people on here that you don't know i.e. labelling people, which resulted in an abusive, some might say understandably abusive, response.

 

Example? Think I may have referred to you as a Corbynista once in response to being told I 'effectively vote Tory'. I admitted that was deliberately antagonistic I suppose. Not sure it warrants abuse mind. If sweeping judgement against those of what I consider a far left position is any different to those on here, myself included who make sweeping judgement about Tories is any different is slightly hypocritical. Its hard not to group individuals in that respect.

 

Either way I'm done. Will leave you all to it.

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You might not have used any naughty words, but you've certainly made a lot of insulting judgements on people on here that you don't know i.e. labelling people, which resulted in an abusive, some might say understandably abusive, response.

 

No. I said that voting for TIG is effectively voting Tory. Which it would be.

 

Example? Think I may have referred to you as a Corbynista once in response to being told I 'effectively vote Tory'. I admitted that was deliberately antagonistic I suppose. Not sure it warrants abuse mind. If sweeping judgement against those of what I consider a far left position is any different to those on here, myself included who make sweeping judgement about Tories. Its hard not to group individuals in that respect.

 

Either way I'm done. Will leave you all to it.

 

Sure:

 

To Bluf - questioning his lack of criticism for Hamas (imo, a pretty shitty insinuation) and claiming it's an example of how the left's obsession with Israel allows the conflict to continue

I'm failing to see any criticism of Hamas either which is my point. Its simply ranting about the ills of Israel. I'm not sure where this argument gets us other than it adds weight to my theory that the lefts obsession with this conflict allows extreme elements to perpetuate antisemitic nonsense.

 

Telling Bluf that he confirms the problem to you that the left thinks Israel is the only aggressor.

You, in my mind anyway, confirm the problem with this conflict in that those of a position that is beyond left of centre see Israel as the only agressor.  There is literally no balance other than Israel is evil.

 

To KK and to everyone - the context here being that KK gets plenty of shit on here from me, Bluf, JimBurst and plenty of other left leaning posters on here because of his far-left ramblings. But you didn't know that, so to you he's an example of our collective obsession.

I mean if you need any further proof of the obsession with Israel being to blame for everything, apparently according to KingKerouac they were to blame for 911. A clear example of this obsession with Israel being allowed to perpetuate conspiracy theories against a Jewish state.

 

To me re the extent of antisemitism in Labour.

It seems the only people who are claiming this is a red herring is Jezza himself and those followers of his who claim he can do no wrong.

 

Luckily senior members in Labour are now dealing with it whilst St Jezza is crying about MSM stitch up. Its total Trumpian tactics to discredit this as a red herring.

 

When I disagreed that 'both sides (TIG defectors and Labour) are to blame for the split'

Of course you do, Jezza can do no wrong.

 

Immediately after I'd posted this, which kind of shows you were more interested in labelling.

It's not contradictory or hypocritical at all - this is the problem with this stupid presumptive notion that Corbyn's a cult and his supporters just agree with everything he does. His detractors and his supporters detractors can't even comprehend the idea that someone might actually disagree with Corbyn in a number of areas, but also still think that he's still by far and away the best option and/or think that the media's treatment of him is disgraceful for example. If Corbyn ever didn't get in line with the party policy when it had strong public backing, get this, I disagree with him in that situation too just as I disagree with TIG. Profound, I know. Sorry if that doesn't give you the material this weird socialist patter was looking for, comrade, but I'm not a socialist or radically left either.

 

because you assumed that I'd defend Corbyn for doing what the ex-Labour members of TIG did, which I didn't. 

It is just another example from the cult of Corbyn that dissenters will be banished to the gulag.

 

The idea that people like me, who do not subscribe to the idea of socialist unicorns...

 

Not really sure how you can claim you haven't just gone around labelling people that disagree with you as socialists, Corbynistas, cultists, believing in socialist unicorns etc tbh. People generally get a bit pissed off when they're incorrectly lumped in with other groups of people they disagree with, like. See also; Brexiteers and xenophobia/racism.

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Hang on. Maybe I'm missing soemthing here, but how do you judge the political power of an investment bank by looking at annual profits? Surely the profits are re-invested?

 

And as for the claim that the investment bank is the only business that the family now owns, ahem. Wines? Only one of, if not the biggest wine producer/supplier in the world, by both volume and reputation.

 

I'd like nothing more than to see evidence that would consign the Rothschilds to Room 101, but this ain't it.

 

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I had intended that to be my last post but I cannot let that slide. All those quotes are direct responses where I was giving as good as I got. Effectively on your last point about people being pissed off, i dont recall throwing a hissy fit for being called a Tory.

 

Anyway enough from me. This really is the last post. It’s just not worth it.

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Aye, although as I recall most developed countries tax to broadly similar levels and the sense of entitlement, if not actual greed, among a proportion of them will be universal I reckon.  My guess is that the world's tax havens will be multicultural paradises of the first order

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I had intended that to be my last post but I cannot let that slide. All those quotes are direct responses where I was giving as good as I got. Effectively on your last point about people being p*ssed off, i dont recall throwing a hissy fit for being called a Tory.

 

Anyway enough from me. This really is the last post. It’s just not worth it.

 

No they weren't, you liar. :lol: Nor were you called a Tory, at least by me anyway.

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In the interests of fairness it looks like Labour are up shitcreek with a totally avoidable and self-made problem too. Superb work by them.

 

 

Which one do you mean?

 

Being investigated by the very Equalities and Human Rights Commission they set up a few years back for all this anti-semitism nonsense which they've managed terribly. Personally, I think it's overblown to fuck but at the same time at every step along the way when there's been a chance to shoot themselves in the foot and make it worse they've done so.

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Amber Rudd has called Diane Abbot a coloured woman on radio 2 interview, wtf how can she not know that term is offensive nowadays

 

Wonder what cabinet position she'll be reduxed into next?

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Amber Rudd has called Diane Abbot a coloured woman on radio 2 interview, wtf how can she not know that term is offensive nowadays

 

I look forward to the complete lack of moral outrage on this one in the media.

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Not that I won't accept a bit of bad press for the Tories or particularly Rudd, but when and why did coloured become bad?  Forgive my ignorance on it, I'm not saying it's fine, just it was something I used to say as my 'safe' option. :lol:

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It's PC gone mad. Can't call them anything these days. Why can't everyone just be a proper English like the good old days.

 

Also, and this is timely:

 

 

 

Patriot Leadsom had a mare today n all

 

 

Fair play to the Blues, their target audience will love this.

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Not that I won't accept a bit of bad press for the Tories or particularly Rudd, but when and why did coloured become bad?  Forgive my ignorance on it, I'm not saying it's fine, just it was something I used to say as my 'safe' option. :lol:

 

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Not that I won't accept a bit of bad press for the Tories or particularly Rudd, but when and why did coloured become bad?  Forgive my ignorance on it, I'm not saying it's fine, just it was something I used to say as my 'safe' option. :lol:

 

In the late 80s and early 90s.

 

 

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