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Dr.Spaceman

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He's not signing for Strasbourg, he's signing for 'BlueCo', which by the sounds of it includes both Strasbourg and Chelsea. All they'll do after the season is transfer his registration from one to the other.

 

I guess that could technically be classed as a full blown transfer but there'll be no money involved. If they've stated the terms of what the £20 million is for I'm not sure what anyone can do about it if Brighton accept.

 

 

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Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

He's not signing for Strasbourg, he's signing for 'BlueCo', which by the sounds of it includes both Strasbourg and Chelsea. All they'll do after the season is transfer his registration from one to the other.

So this is Chelsea yet again finding a way to skirt around the rules unpunished? I’m guessing this transfer will not ever show on their PSR accounts? Payment comes out of Strasbourgs accounts and then registration goes to Chelsea for nowt next season?

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2 minutes ago, Jordan said:

So this is Chelsea yet again finding a way to skirt around the rules unpunished? I’m guessing this transfer will not ever show on their PSR accounts? Payment comes out of Strasbourgs accounts and then registration goes to Chelsea for nowt next season?

 

They are absolute masters at this shit, the thing is, there is no desire to punish them, the EPL are just waiting for Newcastle to step out of line and they'll be down on us like a tonne of bricks.

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Just now, The College Dropout said:

Not spend is a bit of a BS metric. 
 

Total squad cost and wage bill are the defining metrics for me.  For both Arsenal are at the highest 4th in the division. Arteta finished 2nd three times is a positive of his coaching imo. 
 

He should’ve won more trophies mind. 

 

And yet Arsenal are hundreds of millions in debt 

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The College Dropout

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2 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

And yet Arsenal are hundreds of millions in debt 

Again debt is a BS metric. 
 

im in debt at over £400k. I service the debt with ease and my assets have appreciated over time.  
 

Arsenal spend the 4th most in the league and outperform that - consistently now.  
 

They have a super squad now though. All of the top 4 do - maybe except Liverpool funnily enough.  For the time being. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

Again debt is a BS metric. 
 

im in debt at over £400k. I service the debt with ease and my assets have appreciated over time.  

 

Out of interest do you agree with PSR ?

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The College Dropout

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3 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Out of interest do you agree with PSR ?

What’s there to agree about?

 

The rules are built to prevent us rising so obviously not. I dont think the rules are insurmountable with desire, money and skill but we only have 1 of those. 
 

Chelseas approach is barmy but they’ve shown desire and skill to subvert PSR. They’ve basically invented a whole new footballing business model. It probably won’t work but they are executing it. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

What’s there to agree about?

 

The rules are built to prevent us rising so obviously not. I dont think the rules are insurmountable with desire, money and skill but we only have 1 of those. 
 

Chelseas approach is barmy but they’ve shown desire and skill to subvert PSR. They’ve basically invented a whole new footballing business model. It probably won’t work but they are executing it. 

 

 

 

 

I think I agree with the principle of it to protect clubs spending more money than they generate.

 

However it's the holding clubs back to prevent the likes of us catching up is massively counter productive for a leage that says it wants competition, I can't see why owners can't use the Escrow system with guaranteed funds.

 

 

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Mase

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11 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

You're just further describing a symptom there I think. Buy backs are poison 

 

 

 

 

Club spends years developing a kid, he goes and gets experience at another club, helping that club. That club then makes a bit of money on him. 

 

Bizarre comment

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10 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

So you signed him just because you can afford to prevent someone else from taking one of your option, and then later go for the shinier option that presented itself in Donnarumma, potensially leaving a young english GK in the mud? One who could have been a key player with us instead? Perfect demonstration of PSR in action.

 

Not sure if you're being serious or not. He played in our first game of the season, so how have we signed him to prevent another team from signing him...

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19 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Out of interest do you agree with PSR ?

I think it would be fair to say that the vast majority of that will be TCD’s mortgage.

We have already seen how the Premier League are happy to fine Everton for interest payments on their new stadium. The nearest comparison would be someone saying to TCD that he can’t have that mortgage whilst someone else at his company is allowed £1m on their credit card. Not only that but they are going to punish him for having such a mortgage (even though he can afford it) by taking away some of his allowances on his work on his budget at work, making it more difficult for him to achieve his performance related bonus.

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What strikes me the most is how much more efficient other clubs are. Havertz gets injured and Eze is in pretty much the next day. We are absolutely glacial and it’s gunna really fuck us dry come September 1st when we have sulky bollocks and Osula as our only recognised strikers.

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15 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

I think I agree with the principle of it to protect clubs spending more money than they generate.

 

However it's the holding clubs back to prevent the likes of us catching up is massively counter productive for a leage that says it wants competition, I can't see why owners can't use the Escrow system with guaranteed funds.

 

 

 

I don’t agree with the principle. A lot of the world’s biggest businesses ran at a loss for several years before turning a profit. It’s called investment. They purposely took football fans lack of knowledge about business to make these rules sound reasonable. 
 

Not being able to spend more than you generate, locks in those that generate the most income at the top. 
 

 

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48 minutes ago, Mase said:

 

Club spends years developing a kid, he goes and gets experience at another club, helping that club. That club then makes a bit of money on him. 

 

Bizarre comment

Not at all, you'll find that a lot of fans of clubs that have no motivation to like them, don't like them.

 

It's clubs like Man City hoarding talent and having their cake and eating it instead of loaning the player or outright selling them. 

 

Not worth arguing about though, no one on here is going to agree with you and your bias for liking them probably means you won't change your stance either.

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1 hour ago, Mase said:

 

Club spends years developing a kid, he goes and gets experience at another club, helping that club. That club then makes a bit of money on him. 

 

Bizarre comment

Doesn't it really just enable the hoover club ? See also masses of add ons and sell ons.

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17 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Not at all, you'll find that a lot of fans of clubs that have no motivation to like them, don't like them.

 

It's clubs like Man City hoarding talent and having their cake and eating it instead of loaning the player or outright selling them. 

 

Not worth arguing about though, no one on here is going to agree with you and your bias for liking them probably means you won't change your stance either.

 

Hoarding talent? Look at how many of our academy players are playing for other teams in the Prem and Football League. 

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11 minutes ago, madras said:

Doesn't it really just enable the hoover club ? See also masses of add ons and sell ons.

 

Add ons and sell one - the buying club doesn't have to agree to these, but they usually get to pay a smaller transfer fee by the selling club adding these in. 

 

You want as much as you can for Isak, right? Just like City developing a kid in their academy will want a bit back of they go on to because a world beater. 

 

This isn't a new concept. Arsenal had a 50% sell on clause in David Bentley's deal when he moved to Blackburn. 

 

 

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Chicken Dancer

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To be fair, I know they spend a fair whack - as do others btw - but Pep/City prefer to have a smaller squad. They've consistently sold homegrown players, many English, and plenty are full internationals now or feature regularly in the Premier League. 

 

Off the top of my head Palmer, Rogers, Delap, Lavia, Tosin. Now McAtee. There's shitloads, I don't agree that they hoard talent. They'd sooner sell than loan it seems, even if the buy-back is essentially a loan really. Surely selling them is better than 8 year deals and loan farming?

 

 

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1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t want PSR but I also don’t want a league where just the richest owner wins. Probably can’t be avoided I guess, not sure there are any examples of fair sports. 

 

Total squad salary cap. 

 

No more or less complicated than that really. 

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5 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

To be fair, I know they spend a fair whack - as do others btw - but Pep/City prefer to have a smaller squad. They've consistently sold homegrown players, many English, and plenty are full internationals now or feature regularly in the Premier League. 

 

Off the top of my head Palmer, Rogers, Delap, Lavia, Tosin. Now McAtee. There's shitloads, I don't agree that they hoard talent. They'd sooner sell than loan it seems, even if the buy-back is essentially a loan really. Surely selling them is better than 8 year deals and loan farming?

 

 

 

Agreed that Chelsea are scum

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