TRon Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 He should never have been here in reality, we had no business hiring a world class manager then treating him as if he was John Carver or Steve Bruce. It was a piss take from start to finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I've had a shit day and i'm tired. I'm not reading that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 It's like a cruel joke to go from Rafa to Bruce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 It's like a cruel joke to go from Rafa to Bruce. A shit joke when you see the punchline coming a month in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 It's like a cruel joke to go from Rafa to Bruce. It's even worse when you go from Rafa and Rondon to Bruce and Joelinton at an extra cost of £30m FFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The contrast in competence and ability between the two is frightening. Sacking a world class manager and binning off a proven PL striker to bring in Steve Bruce and an untried £40m non-striker is baffling in anyone’s book Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The contrast in competence and ability between the two is frightening. Sacking a world class manager and binning off a proven PL striker to bring in Steve Bruce and an untried £40m non-striker is baffling in anyone’s book We didn't sack Rafa, we just let him walk away.....not sure which one is worst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The contrast in competence and ability between the two is frightening. Sacking a world class manager and binning off a proven PL striker to bring in Steve Bruce and an untried £40m non-striker is baffling in anyone’s book We didn't sack Rafa, we just let him walk away.....not sure which one is worst How often do clubs let managers' contracts expire to go to other domestic clubs? Never. Literally, never. The only time a contract for a manager has wound down for them to then exit has been retirement. Wenger, Ferguson and to a lesser extend Gradi (who kept dipping back in from a technical director position at Crewe) are the only ones I can think of domestically. I don't think this aberration of a decision (to not comply with Rafa's request for club funds to be spent as he directed and thus renew his contract) got enough coverage at the time and is the single most damning indictment of the whole Ashley tenure imo, and that includes the Keegan tribunal, the ghosting of Shearer post relegation and the Joelinton signing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The contrast in competence and ability between the two is frightening. Sacking a world class manager and binning off a proven PL striker to bring in Steve Bruce and an untried £40m non-striker is baffling in anyone’s book We didn't sack Rafa, we just let him walk away.....not sure which one is worst How often do clubs let managers' contracts expire to go to other domestic clubs? Never. Literally, never. The only time a contract for a manager has wound down for them to then exit has been retirement. Wenger, Ferguson and to a lesser extend Gradi (who kept dipping back in from a technical director position at Crewe) are the only ones I can think of domestically. I don't think this aberration of a decision (to not comply with Rafa's request for club funds to be spent as he directed and thus renew his contract) got enough coverage at the time and is the single most damning indictment of the whole Ashley tenure imo, and that includes the Keegan tribunal, the ghosting of Shearer post relegation and the Joelinton signing. It didn't get enough coverage because other than Newcastle supporters, no one else cared so it wouldn't have generated enough clicks and ad revenue for the media. It's much more profitable to start a row between fans by antagonising them with inflammatory, condescending comments than to cover events that are so baffling that in any other industry they'd be subject to investigation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Love how he has a site set-up to document quotes from former players. Would love to see similar for those that preceded him, and the current incumbent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Love how he has a site set-up to document quotes from former players. Would love to see similar for those that preceded him, and the current incumbent I'm sure Bruce will have a few. "I really enjoyed all the days off he gave us" "He really knew how to sniff out a place selling a bacon butty within a few minutes, no matter where we were!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Oh yes, he was a great liar, and he always did it with a smile on his face! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The contrast in competence and ability between the two is frightening. Sacking a world class manager and binning off a proven PL striker to bring in Steve Bruce and an untried £40m non-striker is baffling in anyone’s book We didn't sack Rafa, we just let him walk away.....not sure which one is worst How often do clubs let managers' contracts expire to go to other domestic clubs? Never. Literally, never. The only time a contract for a manager has wound down for them to then exit has been retirement. Wenger, Ferguson and to a lesser extend Gradi (who kept dipping back in from a technical director position at Crewe) are the only ones I can think of domestically. I don't think this aberration of a decision (to not comply with Rafa's request for club funds to be spent as he directed and thus renew his contract) got enough coverage at the time and is the single most damning indictment of the whole Ashley tenure imo, and that includes the Keegan tribunal, the ghosting of Shearer post relegation and the Joelinton signing. Utterly mental like, just utterly mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 “He was a coward” M. Ritchie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 How often do clubs let managers' contracts expire to go to other domestic clubs? Never. Literally, never. The only time a contract for a manager has wound down for them to then exit has been retirement. Wenger, Ferguson and to a lesser extend Gradi (who kept dipping back in from a technical director position at Crewe) are the only ones I can think of domestically. I don't think this aberration of a decision (to not comply with Rafa's request for club funds to be spent as he directed and thus renew his contract) got enough coverage at the time and is the single most damning indictment of the whole Ashley tenure imo, and that includes the Keegan tribunal, the ghosting of Shearer post relegation and the Joelinton signing. It's a bastard disgrace - to think several of our "fans" were slating Rafa for chasing the money to China as well (the same ones doing the comparisons game by game last season) - absolutely clueless helmets. a) Retain Rafa and sign Rondon, keep Perez (he'd have stayed I think). Let Rafa spend the net outlay Bruce has spent (£80m with Perez staying). b) Recruit Bruce, Joelinton etc. No other football club in the world would have opted for option b). We'd comfortably be 5th this season if option a) had of been chosen FFS. It's a decision that deserves relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I definitely think Perez would have stayed if Rafa did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I definitely think Perez would have stayed if Rafa did. Not sure about that after all his fingers in the ears celebrations, however Rafa would have made better use of the Perez money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I definitely think Perez would have stayed if Rafa did. Of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I definitely think Perez would have stayed if Rafa did. Of course. and with a couple of new central midfielders we'd def have been pushing top 6. especially with that wall of a back 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 If Rafa had stayed, by now, Peres would be a regular starter in a team on a similar level to Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 We'd be where Villa or West Ham if he had stayed imo. If he or another manager that'd excite people came in when the takeover should've happened in the summer a la Pochettino, Allegri, Naglesmann or even someone like Marco Rose then we'd be catching up to if not already beyond Leicester. A lot of things are required to make NUFC successful: an ambitious owner, an intelligent manager in the dugout who conducts himself with honour that the fans can relate to and whom possesses a vision for Newcastle United and the ability to communicate that to a squad that is talented and has a bit of nous and flair. Rafa ticked one of those boxes and allowing him to go for daring to challenge the petulant cunt of an owner on what the club needs/needed to do to become successful was and still is so ridiculous, childish and rancid it’s untrue. He’s the biggest tick we've had in the Ashley era in any of those criteria, much more so than the squad we had between 2011 and 2014. He’s, arguably, the only thing the club has had going for it since Sir Bobby Robson left. A PIF takeover or any sort of takeover that leads to a bit of substantial and sustained investment will lead to an injection of quality and just overall improvement in the playing staff. A takeover sets everything up like dominoes tbh, one required event for success at NUFC is inextricably linked to the next event. Obviously in football there are no guarantees and it may all go to shit but any of the bell ends amongst the media and in our fanbase that have tried to justify replacing Benitez with Steve fucking Bruce want shooting with shit, to put it lightly. Under Ashley results and performances from the team 80% of the time have been and will be poor, shite decisions have been and always will be made regarding managerial appointments, transfers, starting XIs and tactics but all in all its all moot given the due to the glass ceiling imposed and all of it leads back to one man. It’s Ashley who needs to fuck off, it’s Ashley oversaw such a massive scale of regression in standing and expectation at this club, it’s Ashley who has neglected to invest in the squad and it’s Ashley who has run this club to suit him and only him. He’s the cancer, the ball and chain, the millstone. Ashley out, for the love of god allow this arbitration to work in some way. As soon as is humanely fucking possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 We'd be where Villa or West Ham if he had stayed imo. If he or another manager that'd excite people came in when the takeover should've happened in the summer a la Pochettino, Allegri, Naglesmann or even someone like Marco Rose then we'd be catching up to if not already beyond Leicester. A lot of things are required to make NUFC successful: an ambitious owner, an intelligent manager in the dugout who conducts himself with honour that the fans can relate to and whom possesses a vision for Newcastle United and the ability to communicate that to a squad that is talented and has a bit of nous and flair. Rafa ticked one of those boxes and allowing him to go for daring to challenge the petulant cunt of an owner on what the club needs/needed to do to become successful was and still is so ridiculous, childish and rancid it’s untrue. He’s the biggest tick we've had in the Ashley era in any of those criteria, much more so than the squad we had between 2011 and 2014. He’s, arguably, the only thing the club has had going for it since Sir Bobby Robson left. A PIF takeover or any sort of takeover that leads to a bit of substantial and sustained investment will lead to an injection of quality and just overall improvement in the playing staff. A takeover sets everything up like dominoes tbh, one required event for success at NUFC is inextricably linked to the next event. Obviously in football there are no guarantees and it may all go to shit but any of the bell ends amongst the media and in our fanbase that have tried to justify replacing Benitez with Steve fucking Bruce want shooting with shit, to put it lightly. Under Ashley results and performances from the team 80% of the time have been and will be poor, shite decisions have been and always will be made regarding managerial appointments, transfers, starting XIs and tactics but all in all its all moot given the due to the glass ceiling imposed and all of it leads back to one man. It’s Ashley who needs to fuck off, it’s Ashley oversaw such a massive scale of regression in standing and expectation at this club, it’s Ashley who has neglected to invest in the squad and it’s Ashley who has run this club to suit him and only him. He’s the cancer, the ball and chain, the millstone. Ashley out, for the love of god allow this arbitration to work in some way. As soon as is humanely fucking possible. I think we were primed to reach the current level of Vila Wham, last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 I’d take Rafa’s 3 dogs over the 3 Steves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted March 20, 2021 Share Posted March 20, 2021 Even though I don’t think it will happen, I do get the sneaky feeling he still fancies a bit of project zebra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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