Optimistic Nut Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 No to him now. I do reckon he’ll come in as an Interim Manager at some point in the next 4-5 years though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic Edited January 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Robster said: Exactly where I am at. I know we shouldn't bring Rafa back but at the same time, I want to shine a Batman-esque Rafa sign in the sky to ask for help. Aye, like we know something isn't right. And we know that there's ways to sort it. We can all theorise what those ways are but at the end of the day we need to do SOMETHING Getting Rafa in some way would be something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic I agree to a point. But we're in deep, deep shit as a club. If it was June and we were looking at a new season in the premier league I wouldn't be arguing for him, it's the context of the relegation battle and the probable championship season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic See I’d disagree wit that to a point. I’d have supported his football style to have his long-term behind the scenes vision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, or even if you have few financial constraints, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic So would you have chosen or choose Howe as that man ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. He’s trying to get Steve Bruce’s squad to play an entirely new brand of football (that is, to actually get them playing football). Hopefully it’ll take before we’re relegated, but if not he deserves the chance to build his own team from the Championship. Edited January 16, 2022 by Tomato Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I love Rafa but it blows my mind that anyone would look at Newcastle's more or less limitless wealth and directions to go in in terms of long-term football philosophy™ and think that we should choose Rafa's. It's pragmatic and effective when you're being hamstrung by Mike Ashley, but choosing his style of football when you have every style to choose from is just nihilistic Even when we had him the first time I wasn't particularly buzzin tbh. I mean I was, but you know what I mean, I always want free flowing football. It's great watching your team win but it's better being actually entertained. Howe seems a perfect fit if there's a top class footballing structure around him, it's just a pity he's probably going to get us relegated before that happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Aye, like we know something isn't right. And we know that there's ways to sort it. We can all theorise what those ways are but at the end of the day we need to do SOMETHING Getting Rafa in some way would be something. That something needs to be recognising the shortcomings in the squad and rectifying them by paying for the top targets. Not hanging onto the romanticisation of a manager who was last here 2 and a half years ago and has failed in both his jobs since in that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tomato Deuce said: “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Tomato Deuce said: “Rafa gives us a better chance of avoiding relegation.” Ignoring the fact that Rafa wasn’t able to help us avoid relegation the first time we hired him, with a far better squad than what we have now. I’ll never blame him for that, mind, because Steve McClaren. Sacking Howe to hire Rafa would absolutely be a small-time, knee-jerk, and frankly unprofessional move from our owners, who have shown themselves to be anything but those things to this point. I am fully convinced they are prepared to go down with Howe and have been since the day he was hired. There is no quick, plug-n-play solution. This isn’t FIFA, where you can just pick up the sticks and knock out a few wins after a few bad results on the auto-simulation. Like it or not, the manager best positioned to help us avoid relegation is Eddie Howe. In a nutshell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 There's nowt romantic about my suggesting Rafa can keep us up BTW, I don't fancy him at all. It's pragmatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I love the geezer for his time here, but some of his decisions at Everton have been utterly bizarre, the biggest been choosing to join them despite massive fan backlash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, TRon said: Better football to watch long term. We haven't been watching the same team in that case but if we're taking the long view, who do you think stands a better chance of winning something? Because that's the criteria that should really inform your opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: In a nutshell it's condescending bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I think it's easy to forget that Rafa really, really struggled to keep us in the league for large parts of the season and that those same players he struggled to do it with are still here and even shitter. Totally get why some would want to twist rather than stick with Howe, but our situations aren't the same as when he was last here and I don't think he's the silver bullet any more than new signings are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Not sure Rafa's style is really ideal for a championship season when you should have the best squad. Think there was times last time where we risked a lot of games by giving inferior teams far too much respect. It worked in the end but a lot of the time it wasn't pretty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Dr Venkman said: it's condescending bollocks It’s not at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr Venkman said: it's condescending bollocks Not really. It’s pragmatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said: I agree to a point. But we're in deep, deep shit as a club. If it was June and we were looking at a new season in the premier league I wouldn't be arguing for him, it's the context of the relegation battle and the probable championship season. Absolutely true for both posts. I don’t think Rafa would be who we want long term, because KI is right, eventually we want to build a much more progressive brand of football. But despite the money, we are absolutely fucked right now. We need a more pragmatic approach to survival and getting at least some of the basics right, which we aren’t doing at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: It’s not at all Which bit did you really like then? The obvious bit about us getting relegated when he had 8 games to keep us up or the bit where he told us we're not living inside a computer game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: So would you have chosen or choose Howe as that man ? No, but that ship has sailed imo. As soon as we got Howe, I drew a line under Rafa and would have done the same with my other choice Emery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I have absolutely nothing to back this up but I wonder if the for/against Rafa has anything to do with fans ages. I'm thinking maybe older fans are against Rafa coming back and younger ones are in favour of a Rafa return. Like I say, nothing to back this up.... and neither is right or wrong......it was just a random thought and we are all entitled to our opinion regardless of age or anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: No, but that ship has sailed imo. As soon as we got Howe, I drew a line under Rafa and would have done the same with my other choice Emery. Agreed, however I’m thinking purely who I feel would give us a better chance over the next few months at keeping us up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, DMLeazesender said: I have absolutely nothing to back this up but I wonder if the for/against Rafa has anything to do with fans ages. I'm thinking maybe older fans are against Rafa coming back and younger ones are in favour of a Rafa return. Like I say, nothing to back this up.... and neither is right or wrong......it was just a random thought and we are all entitled to our opinion regardless of age or anything else. I resent being called older Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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