Jump to content

Rafa Benítez


Would you have Rafa back?   

463 members have voted

  1. 1. Would you have Rafa back?

    • Yes, as manager, immediately
    • Yes, as manager, but at some point in the future (eg if relegated)
    • Yes, in an advisory or DoF role
    • No, not in any meaningful capacity

This poll is closed to new votes


Recommended Posts

Rafa has had very little time at Everton, he's been unlucky with injuries and he's improved the squad despite spending very little. If DCL and Doucouré stayed injury free they'd be doing better. I think having lots of fans against him won't help, and may even trigger his early exit.

 

If this was his second season I'd be worried as an Everton fan, but there's a lot that needs transforming and think it's too early to judge. If they leave Rafa and let him spend on a player or two in January I suspect second half of the season he will have them on it and finishing strong.

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I haven’t said anything apart from the fact Rafa did well with us.

 

But that is one good job in the middle of three crap ones. 

 

He was great for us but people need to be able to see past that. We don’t need to ferociously defend Rafa at every opportunity.

 

Fantastic for us, but he looks a shadow of his previous self and nothing to suggest he’ll continue to do well at the top level.

I agree, he’s had a few shit jobs, but RE his time at NUFC he was a huge success and all I’m saying is I don’t gauge that on his final few months here because we were the 7th ‘best’ team on form. Madrid is a write off, he neither succeeded or failed because he simply didn’t have the time to prove one way or another. China was strange and a disaster basically for a manager of his calibre, Everton isn’t going to end well as he won’t be giving the time. If he was, he’d do well there. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I don’t think it’s just necessarily the defensive football, I think most modern players are unwilling to buy into their demands.

 

Even if they do, it’s only for a short period before they get sick of the level of work demanded.

 

If results deteriorate they also seem to down tools very quickly.

 

Why is that not the case at Man City or Liverpool then? I think players like playing attacking football and won't down the tools as quickly if they enjoy what they do. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I don’t think it’s just necessarily the defensive football, I think most modern players are unwilling to buy into their demands.

 

Even if they do, it’s only for a short period before they get sick of the level of work demanded.

 

If results deteriorate they also seem to down tools very quickly.

The ‘lesser’ players will. That’s where he needs to be managing, players like Lascelles where he can improve them just by way of coaching. He can do that at Everton, but won’t get the time.

 

 

Edited by HTT II

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Why is that not the case at Man City or Liverpool then? I think players like playing attacking football and won't down the tools as quickly if they enjoy what they do. 

 

Not sure. But I don’t know much about what Guardiola and Klopp demand from their players.

 

I see Rafa and Mourinho as quite restrictive, whereas I assume Klopp and Guardiola encourage more flair and allow a bit more than the former. 

 

Equally why does Simeone get results with the same demands and style as Rafa/Mourinho?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Not sure. But I don’t know much about what Guardiola and Klopp demand from their players.

 

I see Rafa and Mourinho as quite restrictive, whereas I assume Klopp and Guardiola encourage more flair and allow a bit more than the former. 

 

Equally why does Simeone get results with the same demands and style as Rafa/Mourinho?

 

I think the defensive style works pretty well against the better teams so it suits those who aren't aiming to win titles. FWIW I think Rafa would succeed to a point with Everton if he's given money and backing. They could easily get top 6 if they had an injury free season. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Dokko said:

That was a long time ago and you've cherry picked a run of games to judge him on. You could probably do the same with Bruce. Not sure why you'd think Id be biased. I'd have took him here over Howe before he arrived.


Not cherry picked. It was 2 1/2 years ago and that was the only period in his time here where we had a PL standard attack to complement the defence he’d built. The result was good football and a very good points return. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Rafa's team have always been strong finishers. Seem to remember us being slow starters too, no way is he done at this level, just takes time for his methods to kick in, plus I'm not surprised his teams struggling without DCL, same was true with us when Rondon was out/not match fit.

 

 

Edited by Thumbheed

Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Apart from us, he’s been shite. Shite at Everton, shite at Real, shite in China.

 

We’re clearly the exception, rather than the norm.

 

A bit like Mourinho, world class manager in his day but their methods are no longer bringing results.


Based on a poor 6 weeks at an injury-plagued Everton who finished 10th under one of the best managers in history last season? 
 

Real were, off the top of my head, 2 points worse off than Barca when he was sacked. He was hardly shite. And do fill us in about your knowledge of Chinese football; where should he have finished there? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:


Based on a poor 6 weeks at an injury-plagued Everton who finished 10th under one of the best managers in history last season? 
 

Real were, off the top of my head, 2 points worse off than Barca when he was sacked. He was hardly shite. And do fill us in about your knowledge of Chinese football; where should he have finished there? 

 

No. Based on 13 games so far this season where Everton find themselves closer to the relegation zone than Europe.

 

Based on watching Everton put in some dreadful performances, where the team selected (disregarding players not playing) should be achieving a result.

 

I’ve already answered the question above regarding Real.

 

In relation to China, based on the fact they finished in their second lowest ever position in the Super League and were knocked out of the cup earlier than they ever had been.

 

 

Edited by Fantail Breeze

Link to post
Share on other sites

He would be a much better bet to keep us up than Howe is, though I'm sure it would have been extremely ugly to watch as it often was in his spell in charge here. We need a manager who can organise us defensively and extremely quickly, an improvement in the attacking play and a bit more possession that I'm sure we will see under Howe won't make any difference unless we stop conceding goals at the current rate. Anybody want to bet against Pukki scoring on Tuesday?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Howe can make a difference, we saw it against Brentford. We deserved to win and Darlow being a spacka was what only prevented us from doing so. Yesterday is a fixture I'm not going to judge Howe on, his first game in the dugout after not being at any of the training sessions running up to the game. Not an ideal scenario.

 

Rafa would sort our defence out which is what we need tbf. But Everton look absolutely dreadful, Rondon looks finished and he's constantly playing him and plodders like Iwobi. Not that I'm judging Rafa on this stint at Everton alone, he certainly is terrible at choosing jobs. Should never have taken this one.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Yikes. 

 

In an ideal world he'd have ended up back here where there was good will and patience for his long-term vision. His history down there meant he really needed to start fast and it's not even like he could correct the transfer fuckups of the past this summer. I do wonder if Mandy Stavs will be in touch if/when he goes with our situation in mind. A lot of that is contingent on us going down/stopping up, but it would be interesting. I do worry he's in the cycle of not really thinking his jobs out and getting a reputation for being not that good when in reality he just keeps picking bad projects.

Link to post
Share on other sites

As a side note, Mourinho was mentioned as a similar type of manager philosophy wise at least, and I think he could do a good job for one of the teams below the top 4. He's still a good organiser, although him being a massive prick is always going to be an obstacle to any relative success. We might see him in the Premier again I feel. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

So what’s different in January?

The spending from the summer of 2019 drops of their FFP, it’s worked out on a rolling 3 year period and in the summer of 2019 they spent almost £120m.

if there’s anyone to take lessons from on how not to spend money it’s Everton 

 

 

Edited by nufcnick

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Rich changed the title to Rafa Benítez

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...