wiseman Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Dubravka is great, but with over a decade since he played for us, I think it's easy to forget how consistently great Given was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 NINE matches he was benched for after returning from injury! Ridiculous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, neesy111 said: Personally overall I think Dubs is the best GK we've had in the PL era. Given easily best shot stopper by a distance though. I think Given for the time was perfect, though. The way a keeper plays has evolved the last decade, I think he’d have been able to adapt to it if he was the same age now, as he was when we signed him for instance. Given for about 8 years was one of the best 3-4 keepers in the division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Given was vastly overrated for me. - His kicking was atrocious. When he first arrived he couldn't reach the half-way line off a goal kick. They were like the kicks you see in women's football where they drop them on the edge of the centre circle in their own half. He did get better but it remained a major weakness for him. - He was a total flapper on the back pass. Zero confidence with the ball at his feet. He'd usually just shit his pants and slice the ball into touch. - Didn't take crosses. No command of his area. - Generally just had no presence at the back. Short arse (for a gk), quiet, slow off his line, never clattered centre forwards. Great shot-stopper? It was his best attribute but even then I thought people went over board. His cult status grew to a point where everything he did was heralded as world class. Roy Keane's comments on De Gea summed up how I used to feel about Shay. "It's his job [to stop shots that are straight at him]". Even if Seamus was the best shot-stopper in the league, he was weak in pretty much every other area and therefore never anything more than average. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Back to Dubravka. He's fantastic but he has a nasty little habit of bringing the right hand over the top to make saves that should be made with the left hand. Keepers usually do it to make their saves look better on the telly but it's not good technique. He got caught out trying to do it for Leicester's first goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Lenny said: Who do you place first and second, out of interest? Ederson and Martinez for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 I remember everyone on Twitter saying how we didn’t need a keeper when we brought Dubs in. He was one of the reasons our form picked up so much that season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Just now, Danh1 said: I remember everyone on Twitter saying how we didn’t need a keeper when we brought Dubs in. He was one of the reasons our form picked up so much that season. Some people thought blob Eliott was a good GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Just now, Danh1 said: I remember everyone on Twitter saying how we didn’t need a keeper when we brought Dubs in. He was one of the reasons our form picked up so much that season. Aye it was mental. You could see why Benitez was desperate for one that pre-season (Reina, Caballero, etc). Dubravka was the most important signing we’ve made in a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: Given was vastly overrated for me. - His kicking was atrocious. When he first arrived he couldn't reach the half-way line off a goal kick. They were like the kicks you see in women's football where they drop them on the edge of the centre circle in their own half. He did get better but it remained a major weakness for him. - He was a total flapper on the back pass. Zero confidence with the ball at his feet. He'd usually just shit his pants and slice the ball into touch. - Didn't take crosses. No command of his area. - Generally just had no presence at the back. Short arse (for a gk), quiet, slow off his line, never clattered centre forwards. Great shot-stopper? It was his best attribute but even then I thought people went over board. His cult status grew to a point where everything he did was heralded as world class. Roy Keane's comments on De Gea summed up how I used to feel about Shay. "It's his job [to stop shots that are straight at him]". Even if Seamus was the best shot-stopper in the league, he was weak in pretty much every other area and therefore never anything more than average. Take your point on his kicking, but Given’s agility and reflexes set him apart from even very good keepers at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 givens kicking was a bit hit and miss but his agility and reflexes were exceptional as said above. he was also a very good keeper at a very young age. anyone know what dubz was like in his early 20's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: I think Given for the time was perfect, though. The way a keeper plays has evolved the last decade, I think he’d have been able to adapt to it if he was the same age now, as he was when we signed him for instance. Given for about 8 years was one of the best 3-4 keepers in the division. And one of the best in the world... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 Alot of people have rightly claimed that ASM and Wilson being back has been the main difference in our form, but it's no coincidence that since Dubs has came back into the team we've only lost 2 games in 10. It's mental it took so long for Bruce to start him over Darlow, even if Darlow was doing decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 (edited) In case people decide to slate or write-off the last few years based on what happened after the penalty save this afternoon, which I think has easily been forgotten... 'PSxG+/-' stands for "Post-Shot Expected Goals-Goals Allowed" and it tells us how much a goalkeeper has over, or underperformed. By comparing the expected number of goals a goalkeeper should conceded given the quality of the chances, from the number of goals actually conceded, based on the goals per shot on target (a higher number means harder shots for the keeper to save)... Dubravka has consistently ranked near the top of the league. Apart from this season per 90, where it is about mid-way down the list rather than about 6th. It's based on a team's number 1 apart from 17/18 where I had to find non-qualifiers in order to see how he had been. 17/18 - +0.24 https://imgur.com/a/vtuv5ua (would be 6th but non-qualifiers mean I can't compare to the other ones)(Darlow +0.28) 18/19 - +0.10 https://imgur.com/a/cAQdfzp (6th) 19/20 - +0.26 https://imgur.com/a/UULdNOk (2nd) 20/21 - +0.11 https://imgur.com/a/MCLruDj (Darlow -0.16) (11th) Edited June 23, 2021 by nbthree3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 No one will write him off...........apart from Steve Bruce. Welcome back Darlow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Missed the match, was he poor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, Mike said: Missed the match, was he poor? Properly so even though he stopped a pen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike said: Missed the match, was he poor? Scored one of the most comical own goals I've ever seen and then played a part in two of their other goals. He'll never have as bad of a game, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Well done Marty lad. Throw in a shitter when people are watching, knew you loved it here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Seen some Twitter accounts who are Newcastle fans laughing at Dub. Just weird man. He’s our player and he’s one of our best. Every goalie makes mistakes. Today he had some bad ones. Still one of the top keepers in the PL IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchyTBB Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 I'm in the minority, but I think he's the most overrated player we've got. Just an average keeper, good at some things and poor in others. Can't recollect him ever being linked with a top club in all the time we've had him, which says something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 minute ago, TorchyTBB said: I'm in the minority, but I think he's the most overrated player we've got. Just an average keeper, good at some things and poor in others. Can't recollect him ever being linked with a top club in all the time we've had him, which says something? I can't recollect Ben Arfa being linked with any top clubs when he was here either. Or Wilson. You are in the minority because you're wrong, it's fairly simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, TorchyTBB said: I'm in the minority, but I think he's the most overrated player we've got. Just an average keeper, good at some things and poor in others. Can't recollect him ever being linked with a top club in all the time we've had him, which says something? Perhaps you should try and cast your mind back to when Dubs came in and what it was like to actually have a competent keeper again after watching Elliot & Darlow between the sticks. It was an absolute revelation and he raised the bar the moment he walked into the club, that you know take that level of quality for granted is laughable. Edited June 24, 2021 by mrmojorisin75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 35 minutes ago, mrmojorisin75 said: Perhaps you should try and cast your mind back to when Dubs came in and what it was like to actually have a competent keeper again after watching Elliot & Darlow between the sticks. It was an absolute revelation and he raised the bar the moment he walked into the club, that you know take that level of quality for granted is laughable. TBF Darlow and Elliot were/are competent,Elliot gets extra stick because he defended the regime, but Dubravka is better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 IMO Dubs is the best keeper i've seen at the club in my lifetime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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