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VAR to be used in the Premier League, are you:  

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  1. 1. VAR to be used in the Premier League, are you:

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Yeah it was awful, that. It wasn't even a pass to him. :lol:

 

I don't really have a problem with that. It happens the other way, where a player is offside when the pass is played but onside after it takes a deflection from the defender. It's just bad luck. Or good if you're spurs.

 

Yeah, I dunno, there's just something about it which feels harsher, in that it wasn't an ill-timed pass or run; just effective pressing forcing an error and then capitalising on it.

 

I mean, regardless of any of that, the bottom line is that there's fuck all in it and Aguero hasn't unfairly gained an advantage by being in that position.

 

One of the major inconsistencies of VAR is that the 'clear and obvious error' thing seems to be applied just about everywhere except offside, where incidents are so seldom clear and obvious. They might review a clumsy tackle in the box and, despite there being evidence that a foul was committed, a penalty remains ungiven on the basis of some woolly and subjective metric around the ref's ability to make the call in the first instance. Yet offside calls, based on meaningless inches in either direction, are being scrutinised and enforced with the fullest extent of their shite tech. If the lino misses a stray kneecap it's a clear and obvious error is it? Total bollocks.

 

I agree with most of that, but I don't think that incident can be blamed on VAR. He was in an offside position when his teammate touched the ball, so he's offside, thems the rules. The lino should have given it as offside.

 

Just had a closer look and it's a lot tighter than I first thought but I still think it's offside. Without VAR we'd be discussing how Spurs were robbed.

 

Yeah but I'd far prefer that to the soul being sucked out of every goal celebration.

 

I'd prefer a fair result. I feel people complain about VAR sucking the emotion out of celebrating goals like realizing the linesman raised his flag after celebrating your ass off wasn't something that used to happen before VAR.

 

Barely ever, I'd always look at the linesman as soon as the ball crossed the line -  aye you'd get some oblivious people who took maybe ten seconds. Having a 'fair result' is just not worth it for me for removing the best thing about football. I realize it's subjective and a tired debate so I'll refrain.

 

In my own view, I'd personally rather not NUFC won a cup final (as if we'd ever get to one :lol:) if that win would forever be marred by a shit decision, I'd want us to win it fair and square. But yeah, people in different corners won't convince the other at this point so it's as you say a bit tired at this stage.

 

Ironically we won an FA Cup thanks to a goal where the ball had went out of play.

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I hardly celebrated Matty Longstaff's winner at home to Man Utd as I was convinced that Jetro was offside down the left from my view just behind the goal!

 

VAR is wank especially if you're actually at the match!

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Some interesting stats from VAR use in the Premier League this season.

 

Total overturns: 97

Rejected overturns: 5

 

Leading to goals: 27

Leading to disallowed goals: 29

Penalties awarded: 22 (5 missed)

Pens for handball: 11

Penalties overturned: 19

Penalties retakes (GK encroach): 3

Goals ruled out for offside: 22

Goals awarded after incorrect offside: 7

Goals ruled out for handball: 4 (1 in build-up)

Goals allowed after wrong handball: 0

Goals ruled out for a foul: 2

Red cards: 14

Overturned red cards: 2

Mistaken identity: 1

DOGSO cancelled: 1

 

22 ruled out for offside by VAR from about 280-300 matches, 28 in total if I read that right, isn’t that high?

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

 

One overturn disallowing a goal every 10 matches, just celebrate for the sake of the 1 in 10 games?

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I hardly celebrated Matty Longstaff's winner at home to Man Utd as I was convinced that Jetro was offside down the left from my view just behind the goal!

 

VAR is wank especially if you're actually at the match!

 

Refuse to believe that any football fan who has been in an away end and celebrated a last minute winner would be in favour of VAR.

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Some interesting stats from VAR use in the Premier League this season.

 

Total overturns: 97

Rejected overturns: 5

 

Leading to goals: 27

Leading to disallowed goals: 29

Penalties awarded: 22 (5 missed)

Pens for handball: 11

Penalties overturned: 19

Penalties retakes (GK encroach): 3

Goals ruled out for offside: 22

Goals awarded after incorrect offside: 7

Goals ruled out for handball: 4 (1 in build-up)

Goals allowed after wrong handball: 0

Goals ruled out for a foul: 2

Red cards: 14

Overturned red cards: 2

Mistaken identity: 1

DOGSO cancelled: 1

 

22 ruled out for offside by VAR from about 280-300 matches, 28 in total if I read that right, isn’t that high?

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21

 

One overturn disallowing a goal every 10 matches, just celebrate for the sake of the 1 in 10 games?

While I can empathise with the hesitation to celebrate thing, I don't agree with the argument that you can't properly celebrate goals now. Most of the time you can see it's highly unlikely a goal will be overturned due to an offside or handball etc. And despite the increase in overturns, it's not like goals were never ruled out before. I have mates saying they haven't properly celebrated a goal since VAR came in, but I have to say they are so anti-VAR that their cynicism makes them think that way whenever the ball goes into the goal.

 

They have to review and adjust VAR (it looks like they have done a shambolic job of this so far), so I'm in favour of keeping it for now as long as that happens. It shouldn't be a case of no VAR or VAR as it is currently. Technology and how it's used is always improved over time.

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Yeah it was awful, that. It wasn't even a pass to him. :lol:

 

I don't really have a problem with that. It happens the other way, where a player is offside when the pass is played but onside after it takes a deflection from the defender. It's just bad luck. Or good if you're spurs.

 

Yeah, I dunno, there's just something about it which feels harsher, in that it wasn't an ill-timed pass or run; just effective pressing forcing an error and then capitalising on it.

 

I mean, regardless of any of that, the bottom line is that there's f*** all in it and Aguero hasn't unfairly gained an advantage by being in that position.

 

One of the major inconsistencies of VAR is that the 'clear and obvious error' thing seems to be applied just about everywhere except offside, where incidents are so seldom clear and obvious. They might review a clumsy tackle in the box and, despite there being evidence that a foul was committed, a penalty remains ungiven on the basis of some woolly and subjective metric around the ref's ability to make the call in the first instance. Yet offside calls, based on meaningless inches in either direction, are being scrutinised and enforced with the fullest extent of their s**** tech. If the lino misses a stray kneecap it's a clear and obvious error is it? Total bollocks.

 

I agree with most of that, but I don't think that incident can be blamed on VAR. He was in an offside position when his teammate touched the ball, so he's offside, thems the rules. The lino should have given it as offside.

 

Just had a closer look and it's a lot tighter than I first thought but I still think it's offside. Without VAR we'd be discussing how Spurs were robbed.

 

Yeah but I'd far prefer that to the soul being sucked out of every goal celebration.

 

I'd prefer a fair result. I feel people complain about VAR sucking the emotion out of celebrating goals like realizing the linesman raised his flag after celebrating your ass off wasn't something that used to happen before VAR.

 

Barely ever, I'd always look at the linesman as soon as the ball crossed the line -  aye you'd get some oblivious people who took maybe ten seconds. Having a 'fair result' is just not worth it for me for removing the best thing about football. I realize it's subjective and a tired debate so I'll refrain.

 

In my own view, I'd personally rather not NUFC won a cup final (as if we'd ever get to one :lol:) if that win would forever be marred by a s*** decision, I'd want us to win it fair and square. But yeah, people in different corners won't convince the other at this point so it's as you say a bit tired at this stage.

 

Your argument is slightly flawed because VAR doesn’t guarantee a ‘fair result’. The offside calls cannot be accurately measured as accurately as they’re trying and football decisions are subjective in the main, there isn’t always a ‘right’ decision that everyone is in unanimous agreement about.

 

Does VAR overturn enough wrong decisions to make it worthwhile with all of the disruption? Absolutely not, imo. We’re having as many conversations about decisions as we always have, but now we’re having decisions about what is/what isn’t a ‘clear and obvious error’. So in actual fact, there is more controversy and more contentious decisions with the added bonus of large disruptions to the flow of the game and sucking the passion out of it.

 

Plus I disagree with your whole point about not feeling satisfied if we won a trophy through a bad decision. We’ve had our fair share of s*** decisions, I couldn’t care less if we won the FA Cup 1-0 through Wilson throwing the ball in the net from a throw-in. It’d mean just as much as a 10-0 win. We’ve won f*** all, how can we be so fussy about where the win comes from?

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I hardly celebrated Matty Longstaff's winner at home to Man Utd as I was convinced that Jetro was offside down the left from my view just behind the goal!

 

VAR is wank especially if you're actually at the match!

 

 

 

Refuse to believe that any football fan who has been in an away end and celebrated a last minute winner would be in favour of VAR.

 

 

Ha ha 1000000000%!

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Yeah it was awful, that. It wasn't even a pass to him. :lol:

 

I don't really have a problem with that. It happens the other way, where a player is offside when the pass is played but onside after it takes a deflection from the defender. It's just bad luck. Or good if you're spurs.

 

Yeah, I dunno, there's just something about it which feels harsher, in that it wasn't an ill-timed pass or run; just effective pressing forcing an error and then capitalising on it.

 

I mean, regardless of any of that, the bottom line is that there's f*** all in it and Aguero hasn't unfairly gained an advantage by being in that position.

 

One of the major inconsistencies of VAR is that the 'clear and obvious error' thing seems to be applied just about everywhere except offside, where incidents are so seldom clear and obvious. They might review a clumsy tackle in the box and, despite there being evidence that a foul was committed, a penalty remains ungiven on the basis of some woolly and subjective metric around the ref's ability to make the call in the first instance. Yet offside calls, based on meaningless inches in either direction, are being scrutinised and enforced with the fullest extent of their s**** tech. If the lino misses a stray kneecap it's a clear and obvious error is it? Total bollocks.

 

I agree with most of that, but I don't think that incident can be blamed on VAR. He was in an offside position when his teammate touched the ball, so he's offside, thems the rules. The lino should have given it as offside.

 

Just had a closer look and it's a lot tighter than I first thought but I still think it's offside. Without VAR we'd be discussing how Spurs were robbed.

 

Yeah but I'd far prefer that to the soul being sucked out of every goal celebration.

 

I'd prefer a fair result. I feel people complain about VAR sucking the emotion out of celebrating goals like realizing the linesman raised his flag after celebrating your ass off wasn't something that used to happen before VAR.

 

Barely ever, I'd always look at the linesman as soon as the ball crossed the line -  aye you'd get some oblivious people who took maybe ten seconds. Having a 'fair result' is just not worth it for me for removing the best thing about football. I realize it's subjective and a tired debate so I'll refrain.

 

In my own view, I'd personally rather not NUFC won a cup final (as if we'd ever get to one :lol:) if that win would forever be marred by a s*** decision, I'd want us to win it fair and square. But yeah, people in different corners won't convince the other at this point so it's as you say a bit tired at this stage.

 

Your argument is slightly flawed because VAR doesn’t guarantee a ‘fair result’. The offside calls cannot be accurately measured as accurately as they’re trying and football decisions are subjective in the main, there isn’t always a ‘right’ decision that everyone is in unanimous agreement about.

 

Does VAR overturn enough wrong decisions to make it worthwhile with all of the disruption? Absolutely not, imo. We’re having as many conversations about decisions as we always have, but now we’re having decisions about what is/what isn’t a ‘clear and obvious error’. So in actual fact, there is more controversy and more contentious decisions with the added bonus of large disruptions to the flow of the game and sucking the passion out of it.

 

Plus I disagree with your whole point about not feeling satisfied if we won a trophy through a bad decision. We’ve had our fair share of s*** decisions, I couldn’t care less if we won the FA Cup 1-0 through Wilson throwing the ball in the net from a throw-in. It’d mean just as much as a 10-0 win. We’ve won f*** all, how can we be so fussy about where the win comes from?

 

Because it'd be tantamount to cheating and I, personally, would not enjoy it as much as if it wasn't won that way. I'm not saying others wouldn't enjoy it, just that I wouldn't, and that I am massively in favor of VAR and thinks it improves the enjoyment of the game a thousandfold for me. That said, it has a lot of wrinkles to iron out before it's perfect still, but I want it to get there and so it needs to steadily evolve and be used to iron out said wrinkles.

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I disagree that it needs to steadily evolve. Somebody needs to lay out what it is intended to do, based on wat it actually can do, and fucking stick to it. Little tweaks, going forward, sure, but right now it's just a bunch of retards getting excited because technology.

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1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said:

Looking at how Var and the general standard of officiating  has been in the Euros it really tells you where the problem is, it's nothing with the rules or VAR as much as its how incompetent the people in charge of applying them are in the EPL

 

VAR is still shite though. Can’t enjoy a goal properly until the game has kicked off again.

 

Edit - point proven in the Italy match.

 

 

Edited by Fantail Breeze

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2 hours ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

VAR is still shite though. Can’t enjoy a goal properly until the game has kicked off again.

 

Edit - point proven in the Italy match.

 

 

 

This is the reason I hate VAR so much. Even if the decision was correct. 

 Goal line technology is all the game needed, let the ref sort the rest.

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