Jump to content

David irving out on probabtion


Rob W
 Share

Recommended Posts

 

Holocaust denier to be released

 

An Austrian court has ruled that UK historian David Irving - jailed for denying the Holocaust - should be released on probation.

The court had heard calls for both a reduction and increase in the three-year sentence.  Irving was convicted in February in a case that sparked international debate about the limits of freedom of speech.  In 1989 he spoke in Austria denying the existence of gas chambers at Auschwitz, though he later said he was "mistaken".  Irving on Wednesday welcomed his release and said he was "fit and well".

 

He said he would urge an academic boycott of historians from Germany and Austria until the nations stopped jailing historians.

 

"I was put in prison for three years for expressing an opinion 17 years ago," he said.

 

Intense debate

 

The BBC's Kerry Skyring in Vienna said the presiding judge converted the remaining two years of Irving's jail term to a provisional sentence, upholding his appeal.  The conditions of the probation are not yet known, including whether Irving will be able to leave Austria.

 

 

COUNTRIES WITH LAWS AGAINST HOLOCAUST DENIAL

Austria

Belgium

Czech Republic

France

Germany

Israel

Lithuania

Poland

Romania

Slovakia

Switzerland

 

Timeline: David Irving

Denying the Holocaust

 

But his lawyer, Herbert Schaller, said: "He is free, and he can leave, and he will leave." Both the prosecution and defence had challenged the length of the sentence. The crime carries a prison term of up to 10 years.  The 1992 law targets "whoever denies, grossly plays down, approves or tries to excuse the National Socialist genocide".  Irving, 68, was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity.  The conviction had sparked intense debate with supporters saying it was fully justified but opponents arguing it undermined the right of freedom of speech.

 

At the initial trial, Irving had said it was "ridiculous" he was being tried for expressing an opinion and that he had changed his views on the Holocaust. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Guest Knightrider

Jailing a man for his views on the Holocaust is no different to putting jews into concentration camps. The man's clearly an idiot but he shouldn't be jailed for his views. Fuck me, this world gets more fucked up by the second.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Jailing a man for his views on the Holocaust is no different to putting jews into concentration camps. The man's clearly an idiot but he shouldn't be jailed for his views. Fuck me, this world gets more fucked up by the second.

 

Like there is no difference between jailing a serial killer and getting jalied for saying he was not a serial killer. One has killed many people, the other denied it, same thing, like apples and solar systems.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I must admit I thought the logic was a bit strained there........................

 

No-one was threatening Irving with starvation, forced labour or a gas chamber IIRC

No, but they should have ;)

Link to post
Share on other sites

Guest Magnetic North

He shouldn't have been jailed, I couldn't care less what his views are, but he shouldn't go to f***ing jail for them.

 

Chuck the b*gger a length of rope  :winking:

 

Seriously, agree with Bluf.

Link to post
Share on other sites

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405E3DA1238F930A25756C0A9679C8B63&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fPeople%2fI%2fIrving%2c%20David

 

THE HOLOCAUST

ON TRIAL

By D. D. Guttenplan.

Illustrated. 328 pp. New York:

 

This is one of the best books that gives a clearer look at Irving at a much deeper level and what drives him etc.. The trial in this book however is when Irving sued Penguin. Unputdownable. blueyes.gif

 

Even as courtroom dramas go, the Irving case was riveting. Both sides went for broke, though the defendants had more to lose. Guttenplan and Evans both explain that British libel law is heavily weighted in favor of the plaintiff, who does not have to show that what was written was either false or malicious. At one point not many years ago more than 30 successive libel actions heard in London had been won by the plaintiffs, and for any corporate defendant the temptation to settle is always strong.

Link to post
Share on other sites

He shouldn't have been jailed, I couldn't care less what his views are, but he shouldn't go to f***ing jail for them.

 

Chuck the b*gger a length of rope  :winking:

 

Seriously, agree with Bluf.

IIRC, didn't Irving give a speech in Austria only to be threatened with prosecution and possibly jail should he return? If so, the dick got what he deserved tbh, although I agree with you in principle.

Link to post
Share on other sites

He shouldn't have been jailed, I couldn't care less what his views are, but he shouldn't go to f***ing jail for them.

 

Chuck the b*gger a length of rope  :winking:

 

Seriously, agree with Bluf.

IIRC, didn't Irving give a speech in Austria only to be threatened with prosecution and possibly jail should he return? If so, the dick got what he deserved tbh, although I agree with you in principle.

 

iirc we deported him to Austria to stand trial.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not according to the beeb:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6196073.stm

 

"Irving was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity."

 

Thanks.

I only heard this on the news last night tbh. Until then, despite his abhorrent views, I'd been against his going to jail. After hearing that, I thought it served him right.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not according to the beeb:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6196073.stm

 

"Irving was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity."

 

Thanks.

I only heard this on the news last night tbh. Until then, despite his abhorrent views, I'd been against his going to jail. After hearing that, I thought it served him right.

 

Austria eh? Irony of ironies. Irving is a tricky character and obviously a shady character, but he has spent time studying the holocaust and should be allowed to air his views without fear of custodial sentences ffs!!

Unfortunately he did court a small fan club amongst the far right which hasn't helped him either.

 

In the Guttenplan book he comes across as a bit of a loveable rogue at first, but as the layers are peeled away he does appear quite dangerous.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not according to the beeb:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6196073.stm

 

"Irving was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity."

 

Thanks.

I only heard this on the news last night tbh. Until then, despite his abhorrent views, I'd been against his going to jail. After hearing that, I thought it served him right.

 

Austria eh? Irony of ironies. Irving is a tricky character and obviously a shady character, but he has spent time studying the holocaust and should be allowed to air his views without fear of custodial sentences ffs!!

Unfortunately he did court a small fan club amongst the far right which hasn't helped him either.

 

In the Guttenplan book he comes across as a bit of a loveable rogue at first, but as the layers are peeled away he does appear quite dangerous.

To clarify, I don't think he should have gone to jail for his views, but he was warned he could be prosecuted if he went back. So he was asking for it, imo.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not according to the beeb:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6196073.stm

 

"Irving was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity."

 

Thanks.

I only heard this on the news last night tbh. Until then, despite his abhorrent views, I'd been against his going to jail. After hearing that, I thought it served him right.

 

Austria eh? Irony of ironies. Irving is a tricky character and obviously a shady character, but he has spent time studying the holocaust and should be allowed to air his views without fear of custodial sentences ffs!!

Unfortunately he did court a small fan club amongst the far right which hasn't helped him either.

 

In the Guttenplan book he comes across as a bit of a loveable rogue at first, but as the layers are peeled away he does appear quite dangerous.

To clarify, I don't think he should have gone to jail for his views, but he was warned he could be prosecuted if he went back. So he was asking for it, imo.

 

Aye he surely knew the risks, but being an Englishman abroad probably felt he was untouchable. bluebigrazz.gif

Link to post
Share on other sites

Not according to the beeb:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6196073.stm

 

"Irving was arrested in November last year on a motorway in southern Austria. He was visiting to give a lecture to a far-right student fraternity."

 

Thanks.

I only heard this on the news last night tbh. Until then, despite his abhorrent views, I'd been against his going to jail. After hearing that, I thought it served him right.

 

Austria eh? Irony of ironies. Irving is a tricky character and obviously a shady character, but he has spent time studying the holocaust and should be allowed to air his views without fear of custodial sentences ffs!!

Unfortunately he did court a small fan club amongst the far right which hasn't helped him either.

 

In the Guttenplan book he comes across as a bit of a loveable rogue at first, but as the layers are peeled away he does appear quite dangerous.

To clarify, I don't think he should have gone to jail for his views, but he was warned he could be prosecuted if he went back. So he was asking for it, imo.

 

Aye he surely knew the risks, but being an Englishman abroad probably felt he was untouchable. bluebigrazz.gif

Is that how you feel?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...