Skeletor Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 hours ago, WillingtonMag said: Always hated David lammy Glad people are coming round on him. He is one of the many reasons Labour don't appeal to people that they should appeal to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed210 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 17 hours ago, Skeletor said: Glad people are coming round on him. He is one of the many reasons Labour don't appeal to people that they should appeal to. i remember the classic video when he was on TV moaning on about never seeing a police officer on patrol, at the same time there was a police office on patrol behind him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, Ben said: free speech grifters are the fucking pits man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 They’ve got one line that they come back to again and again “we’re speaking on behalf of the will of the people, we’re straight talking and saying what the common man thinks.” All while just saying whatever the fuck they want to say with no regard for the fact that the ‘common man’ and ‘will of the people’ doesn’t exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 He gets far too much hate/attention on here mind, considering how little he matters he's like the Adam Pearson of the chat section. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Yeah they don't mean freedom in the conventional sense. Freedom to right wing conservatives and libertarians rarely means individual freedom or autonomy, it means the freedom to dominate anyone they deem lower than them. Rich over poor, men over women, white over black, straight over gay, employers over employees, Christianity over everything, the police state over their enemies, and their country over the rest of the world. Anything intervening with what they see as that natural hierarchy is the nanny state being given too much power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Aye if these people were listened to to the nth degree we’d still all be flinging our shit into the st and homeschooling our children Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 If they weren’t already inside a deadly cotton threading machine or up a chimney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Full on Libertarians are at least funny like. You can normally send them into a frothing rage just by mentioning roads or fire brigades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Baffles me when people talk about unions being dinosaurs when referencing less than 60-70 years of history. Yes tech progress is lightspeed and warps things but you’ve had less than 200 years of socialised sanitation, 150 years of education and these people seem to advocate some kind of neo liberal feudal system akin to baronys - yet the ‘Union barons’ are the problem. These pricks would have us in the Bronze Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 5 minutes ago, Darth Crooks said: Baffles me when people talk about unions being dinosaurs when referencing less than 60-70 years of history. Yes tech progress is lightspeed and warps things but you’ve had less than 200 years of socialised sanitation, 150 years of education and these people seem to advocate some kind of neo liberal feudal system akin to baronys - yet the ‘Union barons’ are the problem. These pricks would have us in the Bronze Age Yup - working 6 days a week, 52 weeks a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Wish people would recognise striking as a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said: Yeah they don't mean freedom in the conventional sense. Freedom to right wing conservatives and libertarians rarely means individual freedom or autonomy, it means the freedom to dominate anyone they deem lower than them. Rich over poor, men over women, white over black, straight over gay, employers over employees, Christianity over everything, the police state over their enemies, and their country over the rest of the world. Anything intervening with what they see as that natural hierarchy is the nanny state being given too much power. Aye but effective. The more hate for those people the more opposition to free speech is perceived. It's quite clever when you think bout it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Just now, Happinesstan said: Aye but effective. The more hate for those people the more opposition to free speech is perceived. It's quite clever when you think bout it. Aw aye, it's effective like, especially when for all the decrying of the culture war and poor people voting against their own interests, while they're not being offered an alternative that believably benefits their economic interests, they can at least rely on the right to indulge their social conservatism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 45 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said: Wish people would recognise striking as a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Think this is probably the most effective strike I can remember for highlighting the real issues. Think future strikes have a good chance as well, given that everyone in society will be feeling the effects of low pay this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neesy111 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I don't think everyone is being affected by low pay. High inflation yes, but there's still several sectors getting pay rises that are near to inflation levels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 Are there? I didn’t get anywhere near that, after the tax rise my take-home pay stayed the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 There are also a lot of people for who the pandemic improved their lives and finances to a degree. If you've been able to work from home, keep getting full pay, cutting transport costs, likely spending more time with your family, and also not being able to go on holidays. Likely you've been able to save up some cash, thanks to lower out goings. Unfortunately these people don't see that not everyone was in the same situation as them, and their savings won't last forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 I haven’t had a rise at all this year and I’m only on £10.90 p/h to start with. Despite the miserable life situation I’m grateful my parents let me stay at their house because I’d be absolutely fucked otherwise. Thinking of quitting work and going to do an MA. Can’t be arsed working for nowt anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 (edited) I'm liking Eddie Dempsey. A lot more to say than Mick Lynch, who has been brilliant at opening the doors for people with more to say, like Dempsey. Could be an actual plan hatching here. "Good tory" Ken Clark is on there as well. Edited June 27 by Happinesstan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 50 minutes ago, Smal said: I haven’t had a rise at all this year and I’m only on £10.90 p/h to start with. Despite the miserable life situation I’m grateful my parents let me stay at their house because I’d be absolutely fucked otherwise. Thinking of quitting work and going to do an MA. Can’t be arsed working for nowt anymore. How anybody survives on this nowadays, I do not know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Think this is probably the most effective strike I can remember for highlighting the real issues. Think future strikes have a good chance as well, given that everyone in society will be feeling the effects of low pay this summer. The BA one is the most striking. Everyone took a 10% pay cut during the pandemic. The 10% pay cut was reversed after only for senior execs and management. Burn it down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, Klaus said: How anybody survives on this nowadays, I do not know. If you're not subject to the cost of housing, it's not too difficult. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 7 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: If you're not subject to the cost of housing, it's not too difficult. Reassuring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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