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  1. 1. Does it matter where the money comes from?

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They're worse than Ashley, but I still want them to buy the club.

 

We can oppose things that our owners do away from football, without having to also oppose them for ruining our club and refusing to sell for a decade.

 

I believe this is the thread for this debate also, rather than in every single thread.

 

 

Tbf, had Ashley actually invested in the team, and shown even the slightest appetite for the growth and wellbeing of the club, I'd have been happy with him as an owner. I have never been one who has got too pissed off with how he ran his business. Most businesses are cut from the same cloth. If you buy our football club, I only have one simple requirement, run it well. I believe that PIF, the Reubens and Stavely will do that.

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like Greg said on talksports - its not for us to make the stand. our government think the saudi's are decent guys.

 

Hell, even the Qatari's got the world cup.

It sure the world cup has any weight given the absolute corruption in the process (not just that one obviously)
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I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves :anguish:) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime? Do any of these people actually know the history of the kingdom and how it came to be? :lol: Perhaps a slight in-depth understanding of this history might shed a bit of light on the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

 

My overall point is that there's no doubt the Saudis are an oppressive extremist regime who can't be allowed to carry on what they've been doing for decades. Not only on a local but also a regional and international scale. The responsibility of that doesn't lie anywhere near Newcastle United fans though. And if people are happy to turn a blind eye to crimes of other nations/owners/criminals in their sport or league then they can also leave NUFC well the fuck alone to get on with it.

 

That argument swings both ways, doesn't it?

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Our government don't think the Saudis are 'decent guys' at all. They know how awful their regime is, but they turn a blind eye and sell them weapons, which is arguably much worse.

They do a load more business than that.
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Could do with Wor Flags getting that rainbow pride Tifo out again on the next rainbow laces day, make sure we're not going to be stifled for anything like that.

 

I agree, it'd be a good stance to take - but some of our own fans took a huff when it was used  :lol:

 

It's why Delaney is kidding himself if he thinks we'll hold up banners of Jamal Khashoggi en-masse. Sure, you might get one or two but football isn't a particularly "woke" sport and Newcastle isn't really a woke part of the country.

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Could do with Wor Flags getting that rainbow pride Tifo out again on the next rainbow laces day, make sure we're not going to be stifled for anything like that.

 

I agree, it'd be a good stance to take - but some of our own fans took a huff when it was used  :lol:

 

It's why Delaney is kidding himself if he thinks we'll hold up banners of Jamal Khashoggi en-masse. Sure, you might get one or two but football isn't a particularly "woke" sport and Newcastle isn't really a woke part of the country.

 

 

 

Tbf, Newcastle has a history as good as anywhere on particularly the fight against racism

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That's a pretty fucking awful comment from the chair of NUST though. He's basically said that as long as they're nice to us it doesn't matter what they do elsewhere. In his position, as an elected fan representative, that's really poor and shows a real lack of awareness

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Fuck Glendenning, even if what he’s said it reasonable it’s negated by the utter shit he’s talked in the past. He’s the absolute pinnacle of “I don’t pay for my tickets but I’ll tell you lot what to do”. Can’t stand the Mackem prick

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Don't think Glendenning said anything that bad there. Nothing we haven't said on here loads of times with regard to how poor the protests were normally

 

What are we, as a collective fanbase, to blame for? Saudis buying the club? The comments of one individual? Hacking a journalist to bits with a bone saw?

 

The bloke's a cretin.

 

He didn't say that we were to blame for that

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Not sure what "blame" we can't easily absolve ourselves from? Bit lost at what point the mackem is making.  ???

 

(Original tweet is him questioning the chair of NUST saying "The involvement of Saudi Arabian wealth in the takeover is not a concern right now")

 

 

Ashley passed. Just sayin'.

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Tbf, Newcastle has a history as good as anywhere on particularly the fight against racism

 

 

Very much so, Newcastle as a City has a very proud record of fighting against racism, as is revealed in Brian Ward’s 2017 book "Martin Luther King in Newcastle upon Tyne" about the African American Freedom Struggle and Race Relations in the North East of England.

 

This great book formed the foundation of Newcastle’s Freedom City 2017 celebrations – a city-wide event marking the 50th anniversary of Dr King’s visit and the region’s extensive connections with the African American freedom struggle.

 

http://freedomcity2017.com/

 

https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/news-events/news/martin-luther-king-newcastle-visit-remembered-on-anniversary-of-his-birth/

 

 

 

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Tbf, Newcastle has a history as good as anywhere on particularly the fight against racism

 

 

Very much so, Newcastle as a City has a very proud record of fighting against racism, as is revealed in Brian Ward’s 2017 book "Martin Luther King in Newcastle upon Tyne" about the African American Freedom Struggle and Race Relations in the North East of England.

 

This great book formed the foundation of Newcastle’s Freedom City 2017 celebrations – a city-wide event marking the 50th anniversary of Dr King’s visit and the region’s extensive connections with the African American freedom struggle.

 

http://freedomcity2017.com/

 

https://www.northumbria.ac.uk/about-us/news-events/news/martin-luther-king-newcastle-visit-remembered-on-anniversary-of-his-birth/

 

 

 

Also...

 

  https://libcom.org/library/trouble-tyne-fight-against-blackshirts-north-east     

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One of the most annoying things to come out of all this is journalists using the "you think Ashley was reprehensible, this lot are on a whole other level!" argument. The hatred for Ashley stems from the absolutely shameful way he, often deliberately, mismanaged the club, not his other misdemeanours. Had he approached things in the correct way there would never have been calls for his head (pardon the pun), regardless of how disgraceful the conditions were for workers in his tat warehouses. We all know that.

 

My overall take on this is that we as fans should enjoy the ride we look set to go on, whilst refraining from fawning over the Saudi royal family as our wonderful saviours. We form the bottom rung on this f***ed-up ladder and there's very little that we can do that would affect matters. Be mindful of where the investment is coming from by all means, and don't fly the Saudi flag in your social media names like some weird obsessive teenagers, but don't feel guilty for supporting your club. We've waited a very long time for this.

 

This wholeheartedly

 

I’ve been at odds with my own opinion on this issue but this nails it. Good post NEEJ[/member]

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Our government don't think the Saudis are 'decent guys' at all. They know how awful their regime is, but they turn a blind eye and sell them weapons, which is arguably much worse.

sad thing is it really doesnt matter who's in the government of whatever country in the uks case torys or labour they still treat the likes of SA the same because they're useful with the oil.

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