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National emergency in Spain with over 1,000 cases in one day.

 

The UK seemingly does have a plan and seemingly it differs from other places in Europe, I'd like them to be more open with the Science so it can be scrutinized by other experts though. The likes of Jeremy Hunt doesnt know shit about this, we just have to hope that our plan has the right balance between limiting both the humanitarian and economic impact of the virus.

 

Hopefully they're following the advice of experts to the letter.

 

They’ll follow it until it doesn’t suit them anymore. You’ll know when as the experts will start to sound less confident or stop being rolled out in front of the media.

 

 

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Thought they'd sacked off the testing because they want everyone to get sick?

 

That's about the same increase as Spain had today (35%ish), which is a bit scary.

 

Is the idea basically to allow the virus to spread over the next week then to lock things down before the NHS reaches breaking point, and for the moment the government are basically stalling for time and even encouraging a bit of that spread?

 

Also keen to know what that breaking point is. At this rate it could start to hit pretty big numbers by end of next week.

 

Sure I read it’s a 40% every increase every day to be on the same path as Italy. We have the power of hindsight, hope we're using it wisely.

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National emergency in Spain with over 1,000 cases in one day.

 

The UK seemingly does have a plan and seemingly it differs from other places in Europe, I'd like them to be more open with the Science so it can be scrutinized by other experts though. The likes of Jeremy Hunt doesnt know s*** about this, we just have to hope that our plan has the right balance between limiting both the humanitarian and economic impact of the virus.

 

Hopefully they're following the advice of experts to the letter.

 

They’ll follow it until it doesn’t suit them anymore. You’ll know when as the experts will start to sound less confident or stop being rolled out in front of the media.

 

I mean they'll turn on the experts right. I wonder if the experts know this :lol:

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Am I right in saying, if you have symptoms, the advice is simply to stay at home? So most people may never know that they actually have it or not?

 

Yep. Which means no matter what, the mega-resistant Boomer crew will say any safety measures taken were pointless and it were arl a big fuss owwa nowt.

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Am I right in saying, if you have symptoms, the advice is simply to stay at home? So most people may never know that they actually have it or not?

 

I heard that you can have the virus for two weeks without the symptons even showing. Is that right? If it is, could definitely throw a few spanners in the works.

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been said multiple times in this thread and it's still mindboggling how badly informed the people most at risk are :(

 

 

"In spite of please to social distance". This cunt is a writer by trade?

 

Anyway. Maybe old people just don't care if they die, whilst on holiday. Maybe they'd rather die, doing something they love, than sitting at home  watching the world condescend to them.

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Because of it's genetic structure, coronavirus doesn't mutate enough to come back every year with different strains like flu does.  We just need immunity from this strain, which it looks like we get if we recover from it.  If 50% of us get it now, it's much harder for it to ever take hold again.

 

Sorry to bother you Troll, but some of your posts are more concise and informative than speculations elsewhere, even in the mainstream press, about the level of coverage required for herd immunity, the role of vaccinations, and the possible return of the virus either on a short-term or seasonal basis.

 

Given what you've posted above, why from your perspective might Patrick Vallance have suggested this morning that this is likely to become an 'annual seasonal infection'? From my perspective the UK's plan for a controlled spread of the virus with the goal of herd immunity seems to lack control mechanisms: schools remain open, there's no blanket ban on major spectator events, and no real effort to increase the level of testing. Is the idea basically to allow the virus to spread over the next week then to lock things down before the NHS reaches breaking point, and for the moment the government are basically stalling for time and even encouraging a bit of that spread?

 

When we refer to flu being seasonal, it's because it comes back very different every year.  Different strains of the flu exchange genes with each other in a process called reassortment (this is what I'm currently researching), so it essentially "shuffles" its DNA.  That's why you need a new flu vaccination each year.  This isn't something coronavirus is capable of.  We think you're probably immune for good once you've had it.

 

What I think Vallance means is that if we stop everyone getting it, the same strain could just come back next year and we'd be in exactly the same situation.  If enough people get infected this time around, we have herd immunity and it can't come back next time.

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Am I right in saying, if you have symptoms, the advice is simply to stay at home? So most people may never know that they actually have it or not?

 

Yep. Which means no matter what, the mega-resistant Boomer crew will say any safety measures taken were pointless and it were arl a big fuss owwa nowt.

 

My mate is a paramedic and has had randoms turning up at the ambulance station asking to be tested :lol: Which is why I was asking, they are doing the exact opposite of the governments advice :lol:

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Evidence emerging from Hong Kong that a number of survivors have suffered extensive tissue damage to lungs and suffer shortness of breath. Out of 12 studied, 3 had lung damage. Hope this damage isn't permanent, otherwise we're facing significant public health crisis for a couple of generations at least.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

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Evidence emerging from Hong Kong that a number of survivors have suffered extensive tissue damage to lungs and suffer shortness of breath. Out of 12 studied, 3 had lung damage. Hope this damage isn't permanent, otherwise we're facing significant public health crisis for a couple of generations at least.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

That’s the same for any pneumonia, FYI. Many people suffer lung damage.

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The idea of shortness of breath terrifies me. What's the chances for people with asthma getting this or being badly affected? So far very little in the way of actual substance, and given there's been so many deaths you'd think they'd be able to say something. And are kids as safe from it as the stats seem to suggest so far?

 

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Spoke to a friend of mine at York hospital earlier. Doesn't sound very good.

 

They've diagnosed 600 cases. Not all of them are ill, but have been diagnosed and isolated.

 

I’m sorry like, that sounds like bullshit. If 600 people were holed up in York hospital or isolated in York, they’d be a part of the official numbers by now, surely?

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Evidence emerging from Hong Kong that a number of survivors have suffered extensive tissue damage to lungs and suffer shortness of breath. Out of 12 studied, 3 had lung damage. Hope this damage isn't permanent, otherwise we're facing significant public health crisis for a couple of generations at least.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-recovery-damage-lung-function-gasping-air-hong-kong-doctors-2020-3?r=US&IR=T

 

I would imagine the healthier you are, the greater your capability for repair.

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Because of it's genetic structure, coronavirus doesn't mutate enough to come back every year with different strains like flu does.  We just need immunity from this strain, which it looks like we get if we recover from it.  If 50% of us get it now, it's much harder for it to ever take hold again.

 

Sorry to bother you Troll, but some of your posts are more concise and informative than speculations elsewhere, even in the mainstream press, about the level of coverage required for herd immunity, the role of vaccinations, and the possible return of the virus either on a short-term or seasonal basis.

 

Given what you've posted above, why from your perspective might Patrick Vallance have suggested this morning that this is likely to become an 'annual seasonal infection'? From my perspective the UK's plan for a controlled spread of the virus with the goal of herd immunity seems to lack control mechanisms: schools remain open, there's no blanket ban on major spectator events, and no real effort to increase the level of testing. Is the idea basically to allow the virus to spread over the next week then to lock things down before the NHS reaches breaking point, and for the moment the government are basically stalling for time and even encouraging a bit of that spread?

 

When we refer to flu being seasonal, it's because it comes back very different every year.  Different strains of the flu exchange genes with each other in a process called reassortment (this is what I'm currently researching), so it essentially "shuffles" its DNA.  That's why you need a new flu vaccination each year.  This isn't something coronavirus is capable of.  We think you're probably immune for good once you've had it.

 

What I think Vallance means is that if we stop everyone getting it, the same strain could just come back next year and we'd be in exactly the same situation.  If enough people get infected this time around, we have herd immunity and it can't come back next time.

Is this known or assumed? I've read a few journalistic pieces in which the author has suggested the opposite (which might simply be down to a lack of specialist knowledge on their part).

 

Edit: keep these posts coming, by the way. Very informative and interesting stuff. :thup:

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