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Jesus man.

Look through his timeline. He has never ever got 1 story right, I even think at this point it’s a shit attempt at satire rather than an attempt to make people think he’s ITK.

 

:lol::lol:

 

Pot calling oven here.

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Another day in takeover world the sun is shining it’s glorious outside, but we just know those scheming Qatari’s will have something up their sleeve today.

 

After the corrupt back hand taking Martin Ziegler’s attempts yesterday, what can we expect today.

 

I would guess Keys and Gray will be down Doha golf course today, after a few sherberts in the club house they’ll be bang up for a new video.

 

So brace yourself for another shoot from keysy’s hotel room later, after a few beers and a bit sun stroke his rage for all things nufc and Saudi will be to much to resist.

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Another day in takeover world the sun is shining it’s glorious outside, but we just know those scheming Qatari’s will have something up their sleeve today.

 

After the corrupt back hand taking Martin Ziegler’s attempts yesterday, what can we expect today.

 

I would guess Keys and Gray will be down Doha golf course today, after a few sherberts in the club house they’ll be bang up for a new video.

 

So brace yourself for another shoot from keysy’s hotel room later, after a few beers and a bit sun stroke his rage for all things nufc and Saudi will be to much to resist.

 

We're due another letter from the fiance of the murdered journo I think. The next 1 will make it 5. Some going that.

 

Or perhaps another piracy story followed up by something about all PL clubs have huge concerns over the takeover.

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Another day in takeover world the sun is shining it’s glorious outside, but we just know those scheming Qatari’s will have something up their sleeve today.

 

After the corrupt back hand taking Martin Ziegler’s attempts yesterday, what can we expect today.

 

I would guess Keys and Gray will be down Doha golf course today, after a few sherberts in the club house they’ll be bang up for a new video.

 

So brace yourself for another shoot from keysy’s hotel room later, after a few beers and a bit sun stroke his rage for all things nufc and Saudi will be to much to resist.

 

Which voice should this be read with? Morgan Freeman? Please advice.

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I honestly think we're at the point of locking this thread until we get actual real info and keep posts about it to the Not Worthy of a Thread and Twitter Bollocks threads. :lol:

We have been having threads locked left right and centre.

How about people simply stop positing well known bullshit, stop trying to wind people up, stop being so negative with every click bait article, and stop calling people nonces and such?

 

It’s not an unreasonable request.

 

Same effect as locking the thread surely!

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Spot on mini thread by Liam Kennedy

 

 

Absolute nonsense thread. Things like this shouldn't just be accepted and rushed through just to help the mental health of Newcastle fans

 

Absolute nonsense post. No it wont change nowt and they won't be concerned about nufc fans mental health, but they should be concerned with an owner taking fans money for no reason and not giving them any clue about whats going on.

 

I understand your reasons behind not wanting it to happen etc but not everything the 'pro takeover fans' say is bollocks.

 

That lads most definitely bringing to light a few things that need to be said with regards to staff and refunds.

 

They should be concerned with the current c*** of an owner taking the p*ss out of fans and staff. 100%.

 

This is nowt to do with being anti or pro the takeover. Takeovers of companies take time , you can't just rush things through especially when possibly important information has just come to light, regarding the piracy thing. If they give a timeline of say 2 weeks, then what if more information becomes available in 13 days time that could affect the decision?

 

But you are anti-takeover by PIF, let's get that out there just to clarify.

 

I don't think anybody needs that clarified but thanks anyway

 

have you ever been involved with an acquisition of a company?

 

I have and right now, if this was not a football club company, legally following everything that has passed to this point in terms of the sale/purchase of what is a legal fully registered and recognised trading business enterprise, this is a done deal.

 

No-one can pull out, even if monies owed to all parties were still to be transferred to close any holding account and therefore financially complete the deal at each end, the legal fact of the matter is that again, as of now, as of how far along this is, it’s a done deal.

 

It’s a done deal because the buyer’s money has been paid (as per whatever any agreements exist between the two etc.) into an account, and that money is locked in now.

 

Again the buyer can’t just withdraw that money and the seller can’t just return it or not accept it.

 

Not unless both mutually agree to terminate everything and both sides would have to do that, one or the other cannot just pull out, they would face legal proceedings which for example if Ashley decided to withdraw, could see him lose the business full stop and even pay them the actual agreed price to get out of it. Likewise the seller could end up having to pay up the full agreed price as compensation and end up with nothing.

 

Of course no-one knows the stipulations and clauses in any detail which could see both seller or buyer allowed to break off from the deal mutually or forego a security deposit etc.

 

If this was a none football club business, however, even without the transfer of funds at the end of all parties, it would to all intents and purposes be a done deal.

 

Legally as a business it’s a done deal, even without the transfer of funds which of course would follow and conclude everything officially and leave nothing to be withdrawn, rejected, opposes or contested.

 

Right now, it can’t be concluded officially as a legal football club entity as well as a legal business entity, funds transferred or not, until the PL approve the takeover in compliance with their own TOS that legally grants the business it’s status to operate as a football club in the PL’s competition.

 

If they don’t approve the takeover, legally, as business, they will still own NUFC or can’t be stopped owning the club as a business and can still apply to register to operate as a football club or retain their status as a football club with the FA and EFL, which legally they can’t be denied or can be revoked. And if I’m correct in thinking, membership as such grants all football clubs who are members with the right to participate in any competition the FA/FL grant licence to operate under them which the PL must comply with in order to run their own competition as long as member clubs also comply. As such any Football Association member club can enter any competition/win promotion if they adhere to the TOS of those competitions which is based solely on sporting, spectator, stadium, safety, policing, stewarding and the ability to financially support putting out a team to fulfil all fixture requirements in general for all of the FA/FL licenced competitions.

 

In short there are so many legal ways around things and as a business, legally as things stand, this is a done deal, only because this is also a football club requiring additional  approval to also operate as a football club in the competition ran by the PL, legally, it’s not a done deal on that side.

 

It would take an unprecedented ruling by the PL to deny NUFC’s legal status as a PL club and in ways that 100% couldn’t be contested and overruled which would also legally challenge the status of NUFC operating as registered and recognised business entity which again, right now, Ashley no longer owns because he’s sold it as a business and now it rests with the PL as to whether they will also legally own a PL football club.

 

Every challenge, opposition, red flag, raised question mark, ethical, moral, financial, individually as persons involved, criteria, the PL has to go over with a fine tooth comb, and no matter what, they will eventually have no legal or sporting, financial or business basis in which to deny NUFC’s PL status as per their own TOS, unless they rewrite them and force every PL club to satisfy and risk losing their licence to run their competition under the FA who grants any football club great and small, professional or amateur, in the entire football pyramid, providing they adhere to their TOS, the right and status to enter/participate in every one of their competitions or any they licence to.

 

I personally think the checks have been done, funds have or are being transferred to all parties involved and the only thing delaying any official announcement is to allow the PL to focus on restarting the season first and when that’s done every party involved will have had enough time to work on their own individual PR pieces and can also release media Q&As that they can all answer in unison in terms of any questions about privacy, dead widows letters, amnesty international, human rights issues and so on.

 

The PL want this as much as we do, they want their money, they want another contender and an extra European super club to relegate rivals from Spain and Italy, they want an injection of big spending in the transfer market and want above all else, for them and anyone else to come and buy their product and no-one elses.

 

I recommend everyone ignores any scare mongering or hyperbole in the press who no fuck all, be patient, relax and be confident that legally as a business, this is at the stage now where it’s a done deal, where legally as a football club, there is no other conclusion, and that’s what will soon be confirmed.

 

And we will only find out when the official site says say, in black and white.

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That's a great post, Ive always been a bit confused as to how what is a third party can dictate who owns a business.

 

Well they don't. They dictate whether that business can compete in the PL though.

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Not sure I share your confidence HTT. I don't even think it's up to the PL anymore - do they really have the constitution to make a decision on Yemen war crimes, Saudi royal court relations and decentralised distribution of pirated content?

 

The Qatari involvement has turned the test from a simple accounting exercise into a full-blown political game. The outcome will be decided, as with any other political game, on the basis of influence and money, but at a higher stage than the PL board. Only involvement from the UK government can allow or stop this takeover now.

 

Unfortunately it seems that Qatar is already throwing a lot of money to stop this - now there's a clear paid-agenda in the media, including Hattice Weekly (to the horror of the moralists on here), while SA has responded only with mobilising their bot twitter-sphere to spread messages of future glory.

 

If Saudi Arabia doesn't care enough to put equal pressure on the PL and UK govt, then a PIF-led takeover won't go through.

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Aye good post, the fact remains however that they have denied some clubs in the owners and directors, or at least delayed it.

 

There is nothing to suggest from the companies house that the deal has progressed any further since the 9th April. In fact, there’s nothing to suggest that the PL had even begun the checks up until that Masters chap started speaking about it in the last few days.

 

The trusted Journalists have come up with diddly squat over the last month, let’s face it, even Caulkin has come up short here.

 

But I see this as a good thing. Those BZG wankers couldn’t shut up about this last year. Silence is golden as far as I’m concerned. Some professionalism is never a bad thing.

 

The Saudis are a problem though. They need to keep their powder dry until this deal gets done. All this showing football games without the right to do so if just stupid. Piracy is the only issue that can derail this thing. They need to do better, they have the money. Pay for the rights.

 

I will say one thing though.. after all this opposition from Qatar, they will mean business if and when this deal goes through. Just to rub salt if anything.

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I may well have missed it but I can't remember the mass outrage towards the Saudis and their investments in the likes of Disney and Tesla.

 

Anyway I don't really follow this thread but is the theory of the takeover being officially announced this Monday still valid or not?

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I may well have missed it but I can't remember the mass outrage towards the Saudis and their investments in the likes of Disney and Tesla.

 

Anyway I don't really follow this thread but is the theory of the takeover being officially announced this Monday still valid or not?

It never was valid.

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Spot on mini thread by Liam Kennedy

 

 

Absolute nonsense thread. Things like this shouldn't just be accepted and rushed through just to help the mental health of Newcastle fans

 

Absolute nonsense post. No it wont change nowt and they won't be concerned about nufc fans mental health, but they should be concerned with an owner taking fans money for no reason and not giving them any clue about whats going on.

 

I understand your reasons behind not wanting it to happen etc but not everything the 'pro takeover fans' say is bollocks.

 

That lads most definitely bringing to light a few things that need to be said with regards to staff and refunds.

 

They should be concerned with the current c*** of an owner taking the p*ss out of fans and staff. 100%.

 

This is nowt to do with being anti or pro the takeover. Takeovers of companies take time , you can't just rush things through especially when possibly important information has just come to light, regarding the piracy thing. If they give a timeline of say 2 weeks, then what if more information becomes available in 13 days time that could affect the decision?

 

But you are anti-takeover by PIF, let's get that out there just to clarify.

 

I don't think anybody needs that clarified but thanks anyway

 

have you ever been involved with an acquisition of a company?

 

I have and right now, if this was not a football club company, legally following everything that has passed to this point in terms of the sale/purchase of what is a legal fully registered and recognised trading business enterprise, this is a done deal.

 

No-one can pull out, even if monies owed to all parties were still to be transferred to close any holding account and therefore financially complete the deal at each end, the legal fact of the matter is that again, as of now, as of how far along this is, it’s a done deal.

 

It’s a done deal because the buyer’s money has been paid (as per whatever any agreements exist between the two etc.) into an account, and that money is locked in now.

 

Again the buyer can’t just withdraw that money and the seller can’t just return it or not accept it.

 

Not unless both mutually agree to terminate everything and both sides would have to do that, one or the other cannot just pull out, they would face legal proceedings which for example if Ashley decided to withdraw, could see him lose the business full stop and even pay them the actual agreed price to get out of it. Likewise the seller could end up having to pay up the full agreed price as compensation and end up with nothing.

 

Of course no-one knows the stipulations and clauses in any detail which could see both seller or buyer allowed to break off from the deal mutually or forego a security deposit etc.

 

If this was a none football club business, however, even without the transfer of funds at the end of all parties, it would to all intents and purposes be a done deal.

 

Legally as a business it’s a done deal, even without the transfer of funds which of course would follow and conclude everything officially and leave nothing to be withdrawn, rejected, opposes or contested.

 

Right now, it can’t be concluded officially as a legal football club entity as well as a legal business entity, funds transferred or not, until the PL approve the takeover in compliance with their own TOS that legally grants the business it’s status to operate as a football club in the PL’s competition.

 

If they don’t approve the takeover, legally, as business, they will still own NUFC or can’t be stopped owning the club as a business and can still apply to register to operate as a football club or retain their status as a football club with the FA and EFL, which legally they can’t be denied or can be revoked. And if I’m correct in thinking, membership as such grants all football clubs who are members with the right to participate in any competition the FA/FL grant licence to operate under them which the PL must comply with in order to run their own competition as long as member clubs also comply. As such any Football Association member club can enter any competition/win promotion if they adhere to the TOS of those competitions which is based solely on sporting, spectator, stadium, safety, policing, stewarding and the ability to financially support putting out a team to fulfil all fixture requirements in general for all of the FA/FL licenced competitions.

 

In short there are so many legal ways around things and as a business, legally as things stand, this is a done deal, only because this is also a football club requiring additional  approval to also operate as a football club in the competition ran by the PL, legally, it’s not a done deal on that side.

 

It would take an unprecedented ruling by the PL to deny NUFC’s legal status as a PL club and in ways that 100% couldn’t be contested and overruled which would also legally challenge the status of NUFC operating as registered and recognised business entity which again, right now, Ashley no longer owns because he’s sold it as a business and now it rests with the PL as to whether they will also legally own a PL football club.

 

Every challenge, opposition, red flag, raised question mark, ethical, moral, financial, individually as persons involved, criteria, the PL has to go over with a fine tooth comb, and no matter what, they will eventually have no legal or sporting, financial or business basis in which to deny NUFC’s PL status as per their own TOS, unless they rewrite them and force every PL club to satisfy and risk losing their licence to run their competition under the FA who grants any football club great and small, professional or amateur, in the entire football pyramid, providing they adhere to their TOS, the right and status to enter/participate in every one of their competitions or any they licence to.

 

I personally think the checks have been done, funds have or are being transferred to all parties involved and the only thing delaying any official announcement is to allow the PL to focus on restarting the season first and when that’s done every party involved will have had enough time to work on their own individual PR pieces and can also release media Q&As that they can all answer in unison in terms of any questions about privacy, dead widows letters, amnesty international, human rights issues and so on.

 

The PL want this as much as we do, they want their money, they want another contender and an extra European super club to relegate rivals from Spain and Italy, they want an injection of big spending in the transfer market and want above all else, for them and anyone else to come and buy their product and no-one elses.

 

I recommend everyone ignores any scare mongering or hyperbole in the press who no fuck all, be patient, relax and be confident that legally as a business, this is at the stage now where it’s a done deal, where legally as a football club, there is no other conclusion, and that’s what will soon be confirmed.

 

And we will only find out when the official site says say, in black and white.

 

So it's not a done deal then.

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Not sure I share your confidence HTT. I don't even think it's up to the PL anymore - do they really have the constitution to make a decision on Yemen war crimes, Saudi royal court relations and decentralised distribution of pirated content?

 

The Qatari involvement has turned the test from a simple accounting exercise into a full-blown political game. The outcome will be decided, as with any other political game, on the basis of influence and money, but at a higher stage than the PL board. Only involvement from the UK government can allow or stop this takeover now.

 

Unfortunately it seems that Qatar is already throwing a lot of money to stop this - now there's a clear paid-agenda in the media, including Hattice Weekly (to the horror of the moralists on here), while SA has responded only with mobilising their bot twitter-sphere to spread messages of future glory.

 

If Saudi Arabia doesn't care enough to put equal pressure on the PL and UK govt, then a PIF-led takeover won't go through.

 

Any issues of human rights will not be entertained at all by the PL who if they even dared to raise such issues would end up violating their own TOS. They have no business speculating or moralising on such issues as they have zero to do with anything. All the protests in the world by Amnesty Internationally and letters from a dead widow wouldn’t influence the PL one way or another and if it did, they’d be challenged so hard legally on any grounds they’d end up having every one of their approved takeovers scrutinised.

 

Such complaints will reach them, but ultimately they will end up in the bin and only ever responded to out of courtesy which will result in a simple diplomatic, non commital, non confrontational generic type response and that’s because it’s not down to the PL to be judge and jury over such issues, only the issues of ownership in terms of if the funds are legitimate, if the people have no criminal record or links and if legally, they can prove and show that they tick every box or criteria set out in the PL’s TOS and they do and with distinction.

 

Nah issues of piracy has to be looked into and cross checked and rightfully so, but whatever the WTO or others claim, proving any illegal criminal activity or breach of TOS is neither something they have any authority over (legally) nor they have the right to delve into deeper to undercover. It’s more a criminal matter than a sporting matter or even a member of a board matter. Again NUFC will be bought first and foremost as a legally registered and recognised business entity and that’s what they or anyone will be buying and can not operate PL approval or not without.

 

Nothing will or can prevent this and because of the stage where they are at right now, legally they pretty much have bought NUFC and if any funds are still to be transferred to rubber stamp this officially it’s because legally they are seeking approval top also operate as a football club entity which they just need one final check for such status.

 

Whatever game those on opposition are playing, all they can do is delay the inevitable and at some point the PL will sanction the takeover because our would be new owners will have eventually satisfied their test and ticked all boxes which again, they tick and with distinction. Piracy this, human rights that, morals this, nothing stands up, not enough for the PL to cross check with their own TOD and deny. If they did go down that path, they’d be open to the mother of all legal challenges and would have every one of their takeover approvals scrutinised.

 

If that failed, NUFC as a football entity cannot be denied it’s status as members of the FA/EFL whose TOS the PL’s give way to effectively.

 

The PL’s test are not about ethics, morals, human rights, piracy, but about their own disclaimer which covers them in the event of any theft, damage, loss or whatever. That’s all they care about.

 

It’s only because of political issues they have to ‘double check’ everything and they will, and they will find, as they would any other way, nothing that would allow them as per their own TOS, the FAs or even any other legal way, to reject this deal which again as a business, is done and dusted and believe you me, the government’s own tests would stand up in a court of law far more than the PL’s would which let’s remember have not once rejected a takeover and if we need know more, approved Mike Ashley’s takeover and if this wasn’t SA buying the club but some American Hedge Fund or narcissistic rich bloke, we’d have ran out of cans ages ago.

 

Not that they actually care, they don’t, no-one does, the Queen, the Government, companies house, Ashley, none of them. Their money is as green as anyone else’s...

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