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2 hours ago, Beamish said:

Totally agree, also Staveley is as much to blame.... everything she touches turns to shit.


But she’s not though. Nobody could have foreseen the level of opposition they’ve experienced.

 

We know the story about how this came about, Staveley was invited to a yacht party by MBS’s people, or got an invite. She’d been requesting an audience for some time.

 

Once interested, they decided that PIF was the best vessel to make the investment (because of the slight separation between State)

 

Perhaps, if they were being clever, they could have opened an investment firm in America and done it through that. But they had no reason to think that PIF would be rejected as they are internationally respected as a wealth fund.

 

Not that corruption in football is news to any of us, but honestly I had no idea how far Qatar’s hand was up the PL’s arse before this takeover began. Or the sway some of the wealthier clubs had..

 

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3 hours ago, Ben said:

It still sticks in my throat a bit that I'm backing Ashley to find skeletons in the closet of Masters and Co when I think of the things he has done over the years, apparently there is a story bubbling away about another one of his dodgy deals involving Dietmar Hopp.

 

Way things are I'd be happy, again, for Masters and co to return fire on Ashley as an improper not fit owner. That's what drives me bezerk. That they've condoned Ashley's ruining of the club was bad enough but to put more effort into preventing us from getting rid of him than the PL has put into anything,you cant help but take it personally

 

*On Staveley, she did okay helping broker the Man City takeover.  Bet if they could turn back the clock the big four (and mid-table non-entities Spurs obviously)would have blocked that as much as they are now, as much as Ashley did then, ironically.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

There are no other tests like this for ownership of any other type of business as far as I'm aware, other than for board members of NHS trusts but that is supported by specific legislation.

 

That's why I think the test itself will almost certainly be eventually be found to be an unlawful restriction of competition and/or trade.

Wasn't the O&D test set up to protect clubs (and communities) from shysters?  If so, it's just that the O&D was used to block someone who could have good good for a club.

 

Assholes can always find a way to use a good thing for a selfish purpose.

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44 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:


But she’s not though. Nobody could have foreseen the level of opposition they’ve experienced.

 

We know the story about how this came about, Staveley was invited to a yacht party by MBS’s people, or got an invite. She’d been requesting an audience for some time.

 

Once interested, they decided that PIF was the best vessel to make the investment (because of the slight separation between State)

 

Perhaps, if they were being clever, they could have opened an investment firm in America and done it through that. But they had no reason to think that PIF would be rejected as they are internationally respected as a wealth fund.

 

Not that corruption in football is news to any of us, but honestly I had no idea how far Qatar’s hand was up the PL’s arse before this takeover began. Or the sway some of the wealthier clubs had..

 

 

 

For the millionth time - she and her associates had been seeking the majority equity to acquire a football club - and her heart was set on NUFC - which would be the easiest and best draw to go from a 300 million investment to double that in a matter of years with investment and nurture. She found one of the largest SWFs in PIF, one who had a Governor (CEO) who is well respected by the global financial community. They then added developers in the Rueben Brothers who would also be interested in taking a small piece. 

 

The blame may be on the false dawns and/or confidence but there is no way you'd forsee it dragging 15 months and the league wanting this type of investment / owner. You only have resistance to this type of buyer when you have other motives. Plain and simple. 

 

I have issue with the media blitz and confidence when the results don't back it up. 

 

Right now, all i can think of is figure out a way to settle before CAT and call off the case or terminate this pursuit and source another buyer. Fast. 

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40 minutes ago, Kanji said:

 

 

For the millionth time - she and her associates had been seeking the majority equity to acquire a football club - and her heart was set on NUFC - which would be the easiest and best draw to go from a 300 million investment to double that in a matter of years with investment and nurture. She found one of the largest SWFs in PIF, one who had a Governor (CEO) who is well respected by the global financial community. They then added developers in the Rueben Brothers who would also be interested in taking a small piece. 

 

The blame may be on the false dawns and/or confidence but there is no way you'd forsee it dragging 15 months and the league wanting this type of investment / owner. You only have resistance to this type of buyer when you have other motives. Plain and simple. 

 

I have issue with the media blitz and confidence when the results don't back it up. 

 

Right now, all i can think of is figure out a way to settle before CAT and call off the case or terminate this pursuit and source another buyer. Fast. 

 

 

There is only one group of people to blame for this takeover going through and it's not the consortium. Do youy really think Ashleys going to settle and call it off with the amount of money he has paid out so far - not  chance in hell that's going to happen. This will be played out (however long) until there is a definitive decision made, through either one of, or both of the cases involved. PIF wiill just wait and see in the background as officially they have withdrawn. They want a premier league club and to get that they will have to wait, as if this deal is knocked back, then they won't be able to buy another premier club for a very long period of time (if at all). The money and exposure is not in the other leagues, they want the premier league and that's why they have not turned their attention to buying another club outright so far. 

 

If you really think another buyer would give us anything like the possibilities of this consortium then you're living in cloud cuckoo land. If ths deal does fail, it ill be then sold to another Ashley type owner or a hedgefund consortium. 

 

Edit: I do have one criticism of Staveley though, and that is she really seems to struggle when put uunder pressure for answers. Not sure if she is the best person to be the spokeperson, but to be fair the Ruebens and PIF do not want any public attention with the takeover.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Teasy said:

 

You're talking as if both sides just want the same thing and have both simply made mistakes or fallen short.  If that was the case I'd blame both sides.  But the fact is the PL are merely taking any opportunity they can to stop this takeover because it threatens the monopoly of their owners (the big six).  So no, at no point will I blame the people who actively want to take over NUFC and give us the competitive Football club we've wanted back for almost 2 decades.  I'll blame the side deliberately sabotaging it instead.

Playing devils advocate that’s absolutely guess work until there is proof. 
we couldn’t even get arbitration off the ground coz by all accounts KSA didn’t send the required info 

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8 minutes ago, gdm said:

Playing devils advocate that’s absolutely guess work until there is proof. 
we couldn’t even get arbitration off the ground coz by all accounts KSA didn’t send the required info 

 

That's absolute guesswork too, no one really knows what the issue with disclosure was. The arbitration has been watertight so far, no ITK or journalist has accurately predicted anything, everything that has been revealed has been completely out of the blue.

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Something I hadn't realised before tonight was that the statement the club released on Monday was in fact a joint statement by the club and the PL.

 

That definitely seems to suggest a thawing in the relationship between the club and PL.

 

 

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Perhaps the PL have indicated they would accept a slightly repackaged submittal? The silence is interesting at least, you’d think if this really was delaying tactics by either side, it would have come out at by now.

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44 minutes ago, gdm said:

Playing devils advocate that’s absolutely guess work until there is proof. 
we couldn’t even get arbitration off the ground coz by all accounts KSA didn’t send the required info 


You said about guesswork until proof in your first sentence and then follow it up with guesswork in your second sentence. Nobody has a clue about what has and is happening unless they’re directly involved. Wish people would just wait for official statements or verified information. All over here and social media you’re seeing everyone guessing on what’s going on, when nothing has been officially released. You cannot say if KSA did or did not send (and it’s the same with some the NE media pundits that the required information was not submitted that’s purely conjecture and guesswork. It’s a bit rich having a go in your first sentence about guesswork and then follow it up with your own guesswork. You’re not the only one either mind.
 

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4 hours ago, et tu brute said:


You said about guesswork until proof in your first sentence and then follow it up with guesswork in your second sentence. Nobody has a clue about what has and is happening unless they’re directly involved. Wish people would just wait for official statements or verified information. All over here and social media you’re seeing everyone guessing on what’s going on, when nothing has been officially released. You cannot say if KSA did or did not send (and it’s the same with some the NE media pundits that the required information was not submitted that’s purely conjecture and guesswork. It’s a bit rich having a go in your first sentence about guesswork and then follow it up with your own guesswork. You’re not the only one either mind.
 

Listen I was just playing devils advocate there and suggesting it might not all be down to the Premier League and the big 6. personally I believe right now that it down to the PL but things just aren’t adding up 

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1 minute ago, Whitley mag said:

If ever a man needed his phone hacked it’s this cunt.

 

 

 

No mention of the part played by Man City's owners in all that.

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6 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

No mention of the part played by Man City's owners in all that.

To be fair the U.A.E is mentioned, but yes Slater’s pro PL position is clear for all to see.

 

It’s noticeable that all the leaks re arbitration have come from him, Edwards and Jacobs with their own spin on it.

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7 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

To be fair the U.A.E is mentioned, but yes Slater’s pro PL position is clear for all to see.

 

It’s noticeable that all the leaks re arbitration have come from him, Edwards and Jacobs with their own spin on it.

 

It's fairly obvious Liverpool and Spurs had major objections to the takeover and I imagine Arsenal and Man U were also very much against it but Man City seem very quiet in all this, there were daft rumours yesterday that they have provided some info to our CAT case about Masters and Hoffman dodgy deals, but they seem to be hiding behind the curtain at this point.

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40 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

We simply need to just get relegated, and Ashley should agree a fee regardless of relegation, where they can purchase the club under EFL rules and just get this horror show over with.

 

Maybe PIF don't want a club playing in the championship though. Maybe the EFL rules will soon be closer to the PL rules soon too.

 

It's like people saying that they should just buy the club and call the PL's bluff, see if they throw us out. Why on earth would they risk it?

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1 minute ago, Pons Alias said:

Because the PL wouldn't dare throw a club out because of who their owners are.

The precedent, the impact on other teams and the legal process would tie them up for years.

 

Amazing they haven't just done it then. Just like it's amazing the Rueben's haven't just bought us on their own.

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