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The west v The Chinese Communist party. Cold War on the horizon?


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So over the last few years we have seen Donald Trump start a trade war with China. We’ve seen the Communist party clashing with pro democracy protestors in Hong Kong and gradually take away their rights. It would also seem to be the case they are now coming down on Australia very hard for calling for an international investigation in to Covid-19. Britain is now, thinking about rolling back 5G networks over security concerns.

Are we heading for a Cold War? What is the best way to handle China? Can we work with them?

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You think? I’m not convinced. Many of Trumps issues are fairly valid are they not? CCP does have a problem with intellectual property theft and they have benefited from favourable Trading terms. I would probably agree though Trump could have raised certain issues perhaps in private with Xi Jinping or raised them more delicately before coming out all guns blazing. That doesn’t mean the out come would have been any better. Just look recently at the Action towards Australia. Slapping tariffs on Barley for daring to ask for an enquiry in to what happened in quite a respectful manner.

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A President that knew how to handle politics and diplomacy would make any fears moot at this point in time between the west and the east. There's no need for the current escalation, and a change of presidency will sort that. Trumps antagonistic nature has changed the face of international politics, has it gone beyond what is salvageable? I don't believe it has, an actual President will roll back a lot of the issues and things will become normalized again. On the other hand, four more years and I think it will change the world for the worse for a long period of time.

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Remove Trump from office and there'll be no major issues that normal diplomacy can't resolve.

 

Yep. It's not in China's benefit to have a war with the West.

 

A Trump fuck up could cause problems, but agree with you here.

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China’s actions re Australia need to be viewed through the lens of some fairly open anti-Chinese sentiment from Australian politicians. We have our own cuntservative anti-“communist” politicians, but we’ve also had a string of politicians proven to be in the pocket of the CCP. We have stupid hawks who want to sail though the South China Sea in our rusty tugboats next to the American aircraft carriers, and we have a Home Office run by a fascist who has created the boogeyman of Chinese students being spies.

 

So China has been waiting to give Australia a kick in the nuts and Scott fucking Morrison gave them the opportunity. Why the fuck he had to take the lead on this... oh, wait. Someone told Scotty from Marketing it would look good...

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The practices they have allowed to go on causing many spreads of infectious diseases globally and the tiny matter of their human rights should equal a harsh comeback but it won't as cash is king so suck it up and move on.

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There'll be no cold war. A trade war, yeah, but nah on the rest. Depends on the US mind, if they retain Trump all bets are off, anything could happen, but if Biden does get in there will be much more international cooperation. China's needed much more than needing to remind them to do better on human rights, they're integral to any fight against climate change and increasingly gaining control all over Africa so losing them loses a lot plays there too.

 

The UK are absolutely gagging for significant trade deals, so whilst they might roll over on the 5G stuff, they'll give so many concessions elsewhere just to wave a 'trade deal' around to the British public that it'll be nothing other than a gesture to the general China paranoia of the west right now. The fact we've even entertained the 5G stuff shows how staggeringly desperate we are. Although, personally I don't care about it and it is indeed hyperparanoia stuff.

 

Conversely, if Trump does get reelected, there's a good chance that pushes the EU further away and just as likely to be a trade war there too. No cold wars, just more trade wars with different blocs. Guy's mental, wants Civ style total domination victory.

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Is that a pointer towards a new cold war, or just an egotistical arms race? Genuine question. :dontknow:

 

He's been weird on the nuclear weapons issue since he arrived. :lol:

 

Isn't it the same thing? The cold war only existed to drive the arms race, and increase global sales.

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Well yeah, I had meant to say initially that it depends what you mean by cold war. Literally speaking, we're basically already in one and have been for the last few years if not the decade, with Russia and or China. As for it escalating to the standards of the previous cold war I'm not sure. There were proxy wars all over the world fought between the two, for sustained periods. That's kind of yet to materialise (Ukraine might be the exception and that's no China), even if a trade war here or an arms race there have. Not sure it ever will, although there's still plenty of spark available in the likes of Venezuela and the Middle East, and sure elsewhere.

 

 

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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/29/politics/trump-china-announcement/index.html

 

Big don going for it. Fuckin heedthaball cunt that he is

 

Soon enough, Trump and Miller are going to find Taiwan on a map and ask "What's the go with this little island?"

 

If he wants to light a touchpaper, then recognising Taiwan will do that (and he's got form with Jerusalem). But it's hard to see this as anything except noise for his base. You'd expect the Chinese to dominate Don if the gloves came off for real.

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Trump's reality TV style approach to politics doesn't help but I cant see things calming down regardless of Trump being elected or not.  The West have quickly released through the Covid break out that China isn't exactly playing ball on the international scene.  The Annexation of Hong Kong despite signing an international treaty, flexing its muscles over Taiwan, building military defensive islands in the South China sea which threatens freedom of navigation for shipping and trade. The awful treatment of Uigurs Muslim population, international state sponsored intellectual property theft, threatening Australia and currently in some kind of major stand off with India where several boarder troops have battered each other to death.

 

 

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My thoughts exactly. The u.s haven’t been great as leaders of the world but I fear China might be worse or rather the CCP. Was listening to An oxford union debate a couple days ago, some were saying China already sees itself in a Cold War with the west. Worrying stuff.

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If you believe John Pilger the US has been involved in a Cold War with China since Obama's policy around the pivot to the east

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