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1 minute ago, Klaus said:

 

They won't know everything about me though. It's a card that shows that I am fully vaccinated and I'm going to presume little more. It doesn't show what my favourite colour is, or my porn preferences, and isn't fitted with a secret tracking device. 

 

I assumed you wanted some arguments from principle, not just the exact data that's on a vaccine passport. You seemed to be suggesting you would always be OK with government-issued ID documents. 

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If vaccine passports are a way out of this whole thing, then bring them on. It’s not like we don’t get tracked every waking hour as it is. What’s another app in the grand scheme of things?

 

The world has changed unfortunately. We’re probably not going back to how it was in 2019 and before. This is the new normal. People will have to get used to not being able to do things that they took for granted before. 
 

That false Macron quote from last week is a feeling shared by many people now. If you choose not to take the vaccine, then it’s your turn to stay home. The rest of us will crack on in this brave new world. 

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FWIW I think my main concerns are more around whether it's OK to use ID to promote vaccine take-up, rather than because the ID itself is needed?

 

What is the level of vaccination we need? What level of unvaccinated people is OK, that wouldn't pose a threat to those that are vaccinated?

 

Also, if we decide it's absolutely necessary, can it be time-limited to a very specific period and rolled back as soon as possible?

 

Finally, it's very short-sited to suggest that people who are hesitant about the vaccine have acted in a vacuum. Many people from different communities are suspicious about the state and it's power, and the way it does things that are very often harmful to them. I agree that Macron (maybe) quote is tempting, but it ignores this aspect.

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8 minutes ago, BlueStar said:

 

Similar, the dad if one of the kids who survived the Parkland massacre has been convinced by Qanon that it was a hoax, and so now thinks his son must be in on it 

 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/epnq84/im-a-parkland-shooting-survivor-qanon-convinced-my-dad-it-was-all-a-hoax

 

Aye, I remember reading about that. 

 

Some of the stuff survivors/families of victims of school shootings go through is absolutely insane. It's so fucking sad and, of course, utterly unnecessary. Lives being further ruined for absolutely nowt. And no different to someone being signed up to ISIS or whoever either IMO.

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Perhaps this is veering off into another topic but I wouldn't feel too oppressed by having an ID card. If anything, much like those loan adverts of yesteryear, an ID card would help consolidate my existing identity documents into one easy to carry card. 

 

I've already got a government-issued birth certificate, government-issued driving licence, government-issued passport, government-issued national insurance number, my government-issued Pfizer vaccinations were administered to me and recorded against my government-issued NHS number. The government-issued Track and Trace app knows where I've had coffee. 

 

I'm not sure what further, additional information could be attached to an ID card that isn't already used by the aforementioned documents. I'm certainly not one for needless government surveillance but I don't think I've got anything left to give. 

 

Give me a little QR code sticker that I can put on my driving licence to prove vaccination (in case I lost my phone that has the app, the letter which proves the same or the card I got when vaccinated). 

 

A time limited approach is a good idea, give it six to twelve months maybe? 

 

I generally lead a very dull life so if some government agent wants to waste their time following me around then good for them. If anything, a little bit of attention would be nice sometimes. 

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The vast majority of people have a little electronic device they carry round with them all the time that tracks every aspect of their lives. It knows everything about them. 

 

It allows people to covertly learn far more about you than an ID card ever will. 

 

 

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Yeah, I'm more nervous about what Amazon, Tesco and Virgin Media know about what I buy, when I do it and what I stream (I'm a single man with fibre optic broadband, honestly, what are they expecting?). 

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14 minutes ago, number37 said:

Yeah, I'm more nervous about what Amazon, Tesco and Virgin Media know about what I buy, when I do it and what I stream (I'm a single man with fibre optic broadband, honestly, what are they expecting?). 

 

About 2 years ago I got a letter from Equifax letting me know my data had been compromised in a huge data breach and I should look to secure my data. They also sent me a handy letter about how I can keep my details safe in future. Passwords and shit. Cheeky fucking cunts. I'd not used their services once in my entire lifetime yet they had my data. Just bought it off someone. Didnt need my permission. Then let it slip out to whichever fuckers. No recourse available to me. Just is.

 

Back in the wild west days of data, the place I worked at, and I know many, many others, would buy excel spreadsheets off other companies for a few grand with thousands of rows of data on. People's names, addresses, dobs, telephone numbers etc. And we'd just spam them. Calls, emails, texts etc. Even individuals at companies were downloading these lists and selling them themselves to their mates in other companies. Every now and then when looking through you might find a name of someone that sounded fit and have a rummage on the internet to check them out. Good times.

 

Anyone concerned about the government having your data from a vaccine passport needs to pay attention a bit more. There's more data out there on you that can be easily compiled across organisations and platforms and used to target and manipulate than than any uk government could ever have. And you've given it out.  

 

A vaccine passport says you've had a shot of fake virus which will have left your system in 3 weeks, and your body has likely reacted to that to make antibodies. That's it. If you're worried about being on some huge database because of it, then dont, you're already on fucking loads lads. 

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24,000 new cases today, so it's gone down again. I know you shouldn't read too far into these things, but I'm pretty sure school holidays, no Euros and increased vaccinations are playing a part, though maybe the increased isolations are also.

 

I don't have much cynicism for most of the British public, who have by and large acted responsibly, so I still trust people to get tested if needed. Those that don't that still do have the virus I imagine are less likely to have symptoms and therefore less likely to spread it.

 

On a related note I don't think commenting on the lack of masks people wear really helps. To me I almost feel like I shouldn't bother myself if I'm hearing the public aren't. Plus I feel it makes people look like they are 'virtue signalling' to some people even if they aren't. There are some exceptions where people are all too happy to tell everyone how they are opting to still wear masks though to show how morally superior they are, and that is also pretty annoying.

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Went on a 20 mile bike ride with the boys today, stopped off at Wylam Boat House for a pint and some water for the boys, wasn’t too busy but staff and customers of all ages masked up and it was the same back at the Keelman where we had lunch after our bike ride. 

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7 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

24,000 new cases today, so it's gone down again. I know you shouldn't read too far into these things, but I'm pretty sure school holidays, no Euros and increased vaccinations are playing a part, though maybe the increased isolations are also.

 

I don't have much cynicism for most of the British public, who have by and large acted responsibly, so I still trust people to get tested if needed. Those that don't that still do have the virus I imagine are less likely to have symptoms and therefore less likely to spread it.

 

On a related note I don't think commenting on the lack of masks people wear really helps. To me I almost feel like I shouldn't bother myself if I'm hearing the public aren't. Plus I feel it makes people look like they are 'virtue signalling' to some people even if they aren't. There are some exceptions where people are all too happy to tell everyone how they are opting to still wear masks though to show how morally superior they are, and that is also pretty annoying.


Always goes down at the weekend delay

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Gonna keep wearing a mask for the time-being for the same reasons before - it's no inconvenience to me and if I am carrying asymptomatically massively reduces the chance of me spreading it unknowingly. If people think that's me virtue signalling then so be it - I'd rather some randoms in the Co-Op think that than me make someone sick that didn't need to be. And entirely more selfishly - it's pretty class not having had a bad cold for 18 months.

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Completely agree about not having had a cold. I know some people on here have had a rough time with Covid so I don’t want to come off as insensitive but I don’t think I’ve ever had a period this long in my life without a cold 

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18 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Completely agree about not having had a cold. I know some people on here have had a rough time with Covid so I don’t want to come off as insensitive but I don’t think I’ve ever had a period this long in my life without a cold 

It’s weird as I never normally get ill with a cold or a flue, but since Covid I’ve had a flue/cold a few times, despite me religiously wearing masks, not  going into any built up areas etc.

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1 hour ago, St. Maximin said:

24,000 new cases today, so it's gone down again. I know you shouldn't read too far into these things, but I'm pretty sure school holidays, no Euros and increased vaccinations are playing a part, though maybe the increased isolations are also.

 

I don't have much cynicism for most of the British public, who have by and large acted responsibly, so I still trust people to get tested if needed. Those that don't that still do have the virus I imagine are less likely to have symptoms and therefore less likely to spread it.

 

On a related note I don't think commenting on the lack of masks people wear really helps. To me I almost feel like I shouldn't bother myself if I'm hearing the public aren't. Plus I feel it makes people look like they are 'virtue signalling' to some people even if they aren't. There are some exceptions where people are all too happy to tell everyone how they are opting to still wear masks though to show how morally superior they are, and that is also pretty annoying.

 

Schools and universities do seem to make a much bigger difference to transmission than we've been led to believe. I think there has been a lot of suppression of that inconvenient truth.

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Just travelled from London to the Lakes again.

The first time I've travelled since they stopped doing the 'social distance' seating arrangement, and what a shitshow.

The obviously decided to completely fill out each carriage - earlier and later trains were cancelled.

There were couples who'd ordered tickets at the same time who were given seats across the aisle from each other, people taking reserved seats and then others turning up and getting  irate. And so much luggage on board there wasn't room to move. Babies crying, music being played, people shouting each other down the train.

Was it really like this 18 months ago?

Also mask wearing from Euston to Carlisle - on a Glasgow bound train - was about 95%.

When I switched at Carlisle, to get my connection train down the coast, it was about 10% mask wearing.

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15 minutes ago, kingkerouac said:

Just travelled from London to the Lakes again.

The first time I've travelled since they stopped doing the 'social distance' seating arrangement, and what a shitshow.

The obviously decided to completely fill out each carriage - earlier and later trains were cancelled.

There were couples who'd ordered tickets at the same time who were given seats across the aisle from each other, people taking reserved seats and then others turning up and getting  irate. And so much luggage on board there wasn't room to move. Babies crying, music being played, people shouting each other down the train.

Was it really like this 18 months ago?

Also mask wearing from Euston to Carlisle - on a Glasgow bound train - was about 95%.

When I switched at Carlisle, to get my connection train down the coast, it was about 10% mask wearing.

Back to normal then.

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2 hours ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

 

Every now and then when looking through you might find a name of someone that sounded fit and have a rummage on the internet to check them out. Good times.

 

How does someone's name sound fit? :lol:

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51 minutes ago, HTT II said:

It’s weird as I never normally get ill with a cold or a flue, but since Covid I’ve had a flue/cold a few times, despite me religiously wearing masks, not  going into any built up areas etc.

 

Flu basically hasn't existed in the UK since before covid.

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