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Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP


Will the takeover be complete by this summer?  

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  1. 1. Will the takeover be complete by this summer?

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18 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

Do any of us know if Rafa is their number one target if it happens? They might have someone else in mind.

 

Rafa returning could be a bullshit rumour, so maybe don’t believe that one either.

 

 

 

Very widely reported. Sure caulkin said it too, I’m sure he talks to both sides. Add the fact Rafa been in constant contact with Newcastle players etc. 
 

 

 

 

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Just now, gdm said:

Very widely reported. Sure caulkin said it too who talks to both sides. Add the fact Rafa been in constant contact with Newcastle players etc. 

 All rumours still. No different to any of the others you perceive as bullshit. 

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3 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

 All rumours still. No different to any of the others you perceive as bullshit. 

Caulkin who we know talks to both Staveley & Rafa writing it in a reputable outlet like the Athletic is a little more substantial than interpreting a De Marco tweet and someone’s mate’s barber ffs. Mon tae fuck man, it’s vastly different  :lol: 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

The govt. or Johnson?

 

I only ask because what Johnson understands is generally far from the truth. Just ask Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

 

It was some Lord (can't remember his name) who was told it would be done "in the next few days", who then passed that info to Johnson who then replied "excellent" 

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4 minutes ago, gdm said:

Caulkin who we know talks to both Staveley & Rafa writing it in a reputable outlet like the Athletic is a little more substantial than interpreting a De Marco tweet and someone’s mate’s barber ffs. Mon tae fuck man, it’s vastly different  :lol: 

 

 

 

It is no indication at all that the takeover isn’t happening though. It’s believing selected things to back up a position you have. It’s the same thing you vilify other people for. The takeover won’t be decided on if Rafa goes to Everton. Nobody knows if he is their main target or anything. Like everything else, it’s all just pure speculation.

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10 minutes ago, gdm said:

Very widely reported. Sure caulkin said it too, I’m sure he talks to both sides. Add the fact Rafa been in constant contact with Newcastle players etc. 
 

 

 

 

 

It’s also been reported that the consortium has had other manager targets, including Paulo Fonseca. Until something definite happens either way, everything is obviously rumours. You so seem to sway towards any negativity surrounding the takeover though, despite always protesting innocence. 

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I'd be very surprised if Rafa went to Everton. He is very media savvy so I think he is just using the "talks" to keep his name high profile. I doubt if either party is serious about the appointment happening.

 

One thing is for sure though, Evertonians are almost unanimously opposed to it. If he wants a long term project he'd be looking at the wrong club IMO.

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8 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

It is no indication at all that the takeover isn’t happening though. It’s believing selected things to back up a position you have. It’s the same thing you vilify other people for. The takeover won’t be decided on if Rafa goes to Everton. Nobody knows if he is their main target or anything. Like everything else, it’s all just pure speculation.


I haven’t said it indicates the takeover isn’t happening tho have i? I’ve said it’s not close like being are getting carried away with

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53 minutes ago, gdm said:

It’s as I expect, ignoring all the bullshit and supposed confidence we are where we have always been - Waiting on the result of arbitration which really could go either way 


I say here which you and manxst chose to ignore. It could still go either way 

 

 

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I don't think Rafa going elsewhere necessarily tells us anything about our takeover. Though I'm sure he'd happily return and could be monitoring the situation, even in contact with the would-be owners, I must admit that the notion that he's waiting just for us has always seemed a bit far-fetched to me. Everton would be a great move for him, particularly given his personal circumstances. 

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18 minutes ago, Manxst said:

It’s also been reported that the consortium has had other manager targets, including Paulo Fonseca. Until something definite happens either way, everything is obviously rumours. You so seem to sway towards any negativity surrounding the takeover though, despite always protesting innocence. 

Just coz I don’t get giddy about a de Marco tweet and take a realistic view on it means I sway towards negativity? Ok cool. 
 

For months I’ve been reading the giddy ones like manor park telling us rafa is waiting it out, Rafa won’t take another job coz the takeover happening. Well he’s talking to other clubs and me pointing it out makes me negative then fair enough. 
 

I’ll repeat I stand where I’ve always stood it’s with arbitration and until they decide what’s happening then we just won’t know. Ashley can be as confident as he likes, I’m sure he’s been confident on red many a time and it’s came up black 

 

 

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Aye, don't think Rafa going elsewhere is indicative of anything takeover wise.

 

At the end if the day the man's ultimately a professionas, so he's got a choice to go to a cloob which fits his profile now or wait it out for a takeover to go through (or not) at a time where the likelihood of other suitable jobs being available should the takeover not go through is minimal.

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2 minutes ago, gdm said:

Just coz I don’t get giddy about a de Marco tweet and take a realistic view on it means I sway towards negativity? Ok cool. 
 

For months I’ve been reading the giddy ones like manor park telling us rafa is waiting it out, Rafa won’t take another job coz the takeover happening. Well he’s talking to other clubs and me pointing it out makes me negative then fair enough. 
 

I’ll repeat I’m stand where I’ve always stood it’s with arbitration and until they decide what’s happening then we just won’t know. Ashley can be as confident as he likes, I’m sure he’s been confident on red many a time and it’s came up black 

Only a select few get ‘giddy’, as you quaintly phrase it, over the tweets etc. As far as I can see, you just constantly prey on the possibly negative side. Imo. Stand where you want. 

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Just now, Joey Linton said:

Even if he'd just won it? 

He's shown at Wigan and Everton he's not great at club management. It would certainly prove he's a decent tournament manager though (along with the FA Cup).

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2 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Only a select few get ‘giddy’, as you quaintly phrase it, over the tweets etc. As far as I can see, you just constantly prey on the possibly negative side. Imo. Stand where you want. 

You perceive it to be negative that’s your problem not mine. I’ve repeatedly said no one knows what way it’s gonna go not even the people on either side so what’s the point getting excited about silly rumour only to be let down again. 
 

if you don’t like my cautious realistic down the middle stance then again tough shit that’s your problem not mine

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

Aye, don't think Rafa going elsewhere is indicative of anything takeover wise.

 

At the end if the day the man's ultimately a professionas, so he's got a choice to go to a cloob which fits his profile now or wait it out for a takeover to go through (or not) at a time where the likelihood of other suitable jobs being available should the takeover not go through is minimal.

That’s pretty much all I was trying to say. If it was as close as Bruce being told to look for a new job then I’m sure Rafa would have had a whisper that it’s on. I’m not for a min saying it won’t happen but it’s far from done 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, gdm said:

You perceive it to be negative that’s your problem not mine. I’ve repeatedly said no one knows what way it’s gonna go not even the people on either side so what’s the point getting excited about silly rumour only to be let down again. 
 

if you don’t like my cautious realistic down the middle stance then again tough shit that’s your problem not mine

 

 

 

The fact you stated “Just the fact he’s in talks with them isn’t a great sign for the takeover tbh.” is negative and not at all “cautious realistic”. The consortium will undoubtedly be professional enough to scout ALL potential managers and have a short list rather than be reliant on Rafa singly. As I’ve mentioned, the press have stated they were also keen on Fonseca. Even if Rafa does go to Everton, it means nothing with regards to the takeover- things will progress and move on, and amazingly, we’ll end up with a manager who isn’t Rafa- he isn’t the be all and end all here. 

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I'm personally not invested in the idea of a settlement. Think this takeover depends entirely on the outcome of the arbritation case which could be nearly a couple of months till we hear of a decision. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Manxst said:

The fact you stated “Just the fact he’s in talks with them isn’t a great sign for the takeover tbh.” is negative and not at all “cautious realistic”. The consortium will undoubtedly be professional enough to scout ALL potential managers and have a short list rather than be reliant on Rafa singly. As I’ve mentioned, the press have stated they were also keen on Fonseca. Even if Rafa does go to Everton, it means nothing with regards to the takeover- things will progress and move on, and amazingly, we’ll end up with a manager who isn’t Rafa- he isn’t the be all and end all here. 

I agree with you. Rafa isn’t the be all and end all. All I’m saying was it’s not as close as people were getting excited about or I’m sure Rafa would have been tipped off. He’s obviously not prepared to wait for the result of arbitration when there are good options out there 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

@gdm It’s a shame you deleted the part where you said you posted it just to have a dig at the positive people. Spoke volumes that. 

Not really. I can’t find the manor park post where yet again he posted as fact that Rafa would wait and Rafa was going nowhere. that’s what I was having a dig at.
He’s a troll he doesn’t post on any other thread on the forum. yet I constantly get shit for being realistic. Seems you get away with talking utter shit on here as long as it’s positive. It’s tiresome but I deleted it coz it’s largely irrelevant 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, gdm said:

Not really. I can’t find the manor park post where yet again he posted as fact that Rafa would wait and Rafa was going nowhere. that’s what I was having a dig at.
He’s a troll he doesn’t post on any other thread on the forum. yet I constantly get shit for being realistic. Seems you get away with talking utter shit on here as long as it’s positive. It’s tiresome but I deleted it coz it’s largely irrelevant 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I got absolutely rinsed for going into the "positive" thread and dropping some realism, yet they seem fine to invade here with their baseless hype. In fact its even getting to the point where realism in the realism thread is frowned upon.

 

There has to be a place for people to be realistic or even sceptical, and not just those who run round shouting "#CANS" and "WAIT!!!" all the time, surely?

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