TheBrownBottle Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, Ace said: Think you need to learn to read rather than jacking it to mighty spurs pal. Bet you believe Man U and Liverpool are huge because of their ‘support’ too. ?♂️ It’s strange that you find things so black and white, someone says it’s not perfect so they think the people doing it are muppets no in between. Also me pointing out that your reliance on social media is stupid because you can buy followers must mean that only spurs do it. Learn to look for the grey. ?♂️ Leverkusen are a great comparison they also had a 10 year spell with only 1 finish outside the top 6 while reaching a champions league final, were a consistent top half team before that as well. We aren’t talking about the other clubs we are talking about spurs. Top 4 is a great season for them and their achievements despite good management have came off the back of years of investment. Yet still they are significantly the little brother of the sky 6. They have everything going for them and that’s all they can be. Don't get me wrong, they're definitely the 'lesser' of the 'Big (Sky) Six' (more than happy to call them the 'Sky Six' btw - Sky love these 'Big' monikers as a sales-pitch) - the others actually win things! What I meant re Leverkusen is that they are not historically a big club, nor a successful one, nor do they get big attendances. They're a well-run (and well-back financially - the supposed purity offered up by German football ownership models also has within it two prominent clubs - Bayer Leverkusen and RB Leipzig - who literally have their huge multinational corporate backers in the name. Though they're still not as successful as PSV - another of the corporate clubs) club which has punched above its weight. I agree that Spurs are basically at the height of what they can be, at least without external resourcing being poured in. Which would likely be the case for us, too - consistent top five or six finishes would be a well-run NUFC's likely best case scenario, allowing for the club to run under its own steam. However, the backing the club now has can act like a steroid injection and allow the club to punch its way above that - like Man City or Chelsea. And once you're winning things for a few years, the reputation is made and the club is truly transformed - Man City and Chelsea are not 'naturally' bigger clubs than Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Leeds ... or Spurs. Note that my opinion is that NUFC could always have been more than that, but the last 20 years or so have meant that clubs like ours find a different ceiling in the modern game to the one which existed for a century before that. One thing though, I'm afraid if you're seriously going to suggest that Man Utd and Liverpool are also somehow propped up via the forces of darkness for their 'support' then we're never going to agree on that one - Man Utd and Liverpool are huge clubs, full stop. That is truly getting into second gunman on the grassy knoll, jetfuel doesn't melt steel territory ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Re: Corporate clubs. Aren’t there a number of German clubs part owned by major manufacturers? Bayern is 30% owned by some of the biggest Bavarian companies like Audi and Allianz. Wolfsburg has VW ownership no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: Why are we talking about spurs? Yes they see Mike’s ahead of us like most other clubs due to 14 years of neglect and mismanagement. Comparisons of NUFC's latest kit sponsorship deal to Spurs'. Also there seems to be a wider debate around who we replace in a 'Big Six' - which presupposes that there is a Big Six, and that you can't have more than six in an elite group. I think you can have more; and you can have fewer (which English football has in the past). The media seem obsessed with who we replace, but what seems more likely is that over the next two or three years they start talking about a 'Big Seven'; the clubs competing regular for European slots and domestic cups. Once the current phase of our rebuild is over, I can see years c.5-10 post-takeover us moving away from that bracket - and competing consistently for big trophies with other huge clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: Re: Corporate clubs. Aren’t there a number of German clubs part owned by major manufacturers? Bayern is 30% owned by some of the biggest Bavarian companies like Audi and Allianz. Wolfsburg has VW ownership no? Yep, Wolfsburg are 100% VW owned. Clubs in Germany are often linked historically to the big local factory where most were employed - a lot of German towns and cities sprung up around a single employer. The only one I can think of in England with a similar background is Arsenal - though of course they no longer play in Woolwich and aren't funded by the local armaments plant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Yep, Wolfsburg are 100% VW owned. Clubs in Germany are often linked historically to the big local factory where most were employed - a lot of German towns and cities sprung up around a single employer. The only one I can think of in England with a similar background is Arsenal - though of course they no longer play in Woolwich and aren't funded by the local armaments plant. West Ham with Thames Ironworks. Hence the Hammers, Irons etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Comparisons of NUFC's latest kit sponsorship deal to Spurs'. Also there seems to be a wider debate around who we replace in a 'Big Six' - which presupposes that there is a Big Six, and that you can't have more than six in an elite group. I think you can have more; and you can have fewer (which English football has in the past). The media seem obsessed with who we replace, but what seems more likely is that over the next two or three years they start talking about a 'Big Seven'; the clubs competing regular for European slots and domestic cups. Once the current phase of our rebuild is over, I can see years c.5-10 post-takeover us moving away from that bracket - and competing consistently for big trophies with other huge clubs. The kit deal if anything is on the low side but it will all improve given time. Spurs are the third club of London, we are the biggest club north of Manchester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, r0cafella said: The kit deal if anything is on the low side but it will all improve given time. Spurs are the third club of London, we are the biggest club north of Manchester. Feels like it’s all very strategic from the rumours it not being Saudi based. Talk that noon moves off sleeve to the front and a Saudi business Fly Saudia or RIA (when it’s rebranded) takes up that role at a high price than noon. Which once we’ve had a few season around the top 6 will eventually move to the front and be in line with the rests payments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, RodneyCisse said: Feels like it’s all very strategic from the rumours it not being Saudi based. Talk that noon moves off sleeve to the front and a Saudi business Fly Saudia or RIA (when it’s rebranded) takes up that role at a high price than noon. Which once we’ve had a few season around the top 6 will eventually move to the front and be in line with the rests payments. Oh god, pleas don't let it be Noon on the front, a big yellow box plastered over the chest of the shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) That £25M may well be the "base" amount with extra payable for champions league. Assuming Spurs £40m includes CL and the £25m doesn't, then if we qualify we likely won't be too far apart. Edited April 30, 2023 by Hhtoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Either way, big 6, big 7, who’s giving up their seat at the table so we can squeeze a smaller one in to make it 7? We are making strides to take the fucking table. As long as the team keeps performing under Eddie, with his team working their magic, the meteoric rise will happen sooner than planned. The momentum is already there. This is written, the destiny we all knew was there, neglected and unloved under Ashley. “The diamond that just needs polishing” It’s what they’ve all feared. Our fears came true under Ashley, now we can all dream again. It happen. A win against Saints today would help! Edited April 30, 2023 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Wasn’t there rumours that Qatar Airways were in talks to be our sponsor? Honestly Fly Emirates would make more sense. They fly out of Newcastle, they sponsor the air traffic control tower, sponsor Durham Cricket Club, and have even sponsored a Metro train. I know quite a few years ago, before we got Fun88 they were in talks but their deal with Arsenal at the time meant they couldn’t sponsor another English club. They have got a new deal with Arsenal since, I wonder if that allows for them to sponsor us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, Stifler said: Wasn’t there rumours that Qatar Airways were in talks to be our sponsor? Honestly Fly Emirates would make more sense. They fly out of Newcastle, they sponsor the air traffic control tower, sponsor Durham Cricket Club, and have even sponsored a Metro train. I know quite a few years ago, before we got Fun88 they were in talks but their deal with Arsenal at the time meant they couldn’t sponsor another English club. They have got a new deal with Arsenal since, I wonder if that allows for them to sponsor us? Yeah Qatar airways have been in talks, I’d still be surprised especially if they think Man U takeover has legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Whitley mag said: Yeah Qatar airways have been in talks, I’d still be surprised especially if they think Man U takeover has legs. It depends, we may not have an exclusive deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Stifler said: Wasn’t there rumours that Qatar Airways were in talks to be our sponsor? Honestly Fly Emirates would make more sense. They fly out of Newcastle, they sponsor the air traffic control tower, sponsor Durham Cricket Club, and have even sponsored a Metro train. I know quite a few years ago, before we got Fun88 they were in talks but their deal with Arsenal at the time meant they couldn’t sponsor another English club. They have got a new deal with Arsenal since, I wonder if that allows for them to sponsor us? Yeah, there's a logic to that. And they can definitely sponsor more than one team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Stifler said: Wasn’t there rumours that Qatar Airways were in talks to be our sponsor? Honestly Fly Emirates would make more sense. They fly out of Newcastle, they sponsor the air traffic control tower, sponsor Durham Cricket Club, and have even sponsored a Metro train. I know quite a few years ago, before we got Fun88 they were in talks but their deal with Arsenal at the time meant they couldn’t sponsor another English club. They have got a new deal with Arsenal since, I wonder if that allows for them to sponsor us? Yasir was pictured with Qatari company head presumed in talks re sponsorship in the not to distant past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Yeah, there's a logic to that. And they can definitely sponsor more than one team. As Emirates do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, PauloGeordio said: As Emirates do Not more than 1 English club though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Not more than 1 English club though. OK, wasn’t sure. Always found it odd they could sponsor a team and the competition that team was competing in: The Emirates FA cup and Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: Don't get me wrong, they're definitely the 'lesser' of the 'Big (Sky) Six' (more than happy to call them the 'Sky Six' btw - Sky love these 'Big' monikers as a sales-pitch) - the others actually win things! What I meant re Leverkusen is that they are not historically a big club, nor a successful one, nor do they get big attendances. They're a well-run (and well-back financially - the supposed purity offered up by German football ownership models also has within it two prominent clubs - Bayer Leverkusen and RB Leipzig - who literally have their huge multinational corporate backers in the name. Though they're still not as successful as PSV - another of the corporate clubs) club which has punched above its weight. I agree that Spurs are basically at the height of what they can be, at least without external resourcing being poured in. Which would likely be the case for us, too - consistent top five or six finishes would be a well-run NUFC's likely best case scenario, allowing for the club to run under its own steam. However, the backing the club now has can act like a steroid injection and allow the club to punch its way above that - like Man City or Chelsea. And once you're winning things for a few years, the reputation is made and the club is truly transformed - Man City and Chelsea are not 'naturally' bigger clubs than Newcastle, Villa, Everton, Leeds ... or Spurs. Note that my opinion is that NUFC could always have been more than that, but the last 20 years or so have meant that clubs like ours find a different ceiling in the modern game to the one which existed for a century before that. One thing though, I'm afraid if you're seriously going to suggest that Man Utd and Liverpool are also somehow propped up via the forces of darkness for their 'support' then we're never going to agree on that one - Man Utd and Liverpool are huge clubs, full stop. That is truly getting into second gunman on the grassy knoll, jetfuel doesn't melt steel territory ... Sky 6 or corrupt 6 will do. That makes more sense, though with City and Chelsea in particular I’m not as sure how well that reputation will hold without a sugar daddy potentially one day. One important thing to remember in Bobbys era we were as high as the 5th biggest in terms of revenue so the potential has been there for us for a while and we’ve kind of had the reverse effect of spurs. Regarding Man U and Liverpool I mean the sky based propaganda that they were just naturally always huge clubs with massive support. They both benefited from benefactors with deep pockets, alongside good management on and off the field and of course elite media promotion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ace said: Sky 6 or corrupt 6 will do. That makes more sense, though with City and Chelsea in particular I’m not as sure how well that reputation will hold without a sugar daddy potentially one day. One important thing to remember in Bobbys era we were as high as the 5th biggest in terms of revenue so the potential has been there for us for a while and we’ve kind of had the reverse effect of spurs. Regarding Man U and Liverpool I mean the sky based propaganda that they were just naturally always huge clubs with massive support. They both benefited from benefactors with deep pockets, alongside good management on and off the field and of course elite media promotion. Man Utd always attracted huge crowds, though there are plenty who pin their nationwide support to sympathy from the Munich Air Disaster in ‘58 of course - and I do think Liverpool benefitted from being successful at just the right time; the dawn of the TV and European football being the biggest thing going age. Had European football and TV become as integral a decade earlier than it did, it might have been Wolves and us (or similar) who entered the picture as the biggest bollocks on the playground. And we had the world’s fourth highest turnover in 97/98 - though this was the very end of the time when ticket prices were similar across the country and the numbers through the gates and local merchandising truly made a difference. Today it’s how many punters in Asia or the US or elsewhere have decided that you’re their favouritest side in the world - this week, anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jack27 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, FloydianMag said: Rumour started by Steve Wraith and co. Probably picked a random rich Middle Eastern organisation and hope it sticks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Tell EMAAR EMAAR Edited April 30, 2023 by nemtizz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Stadium expansion ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeB Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jack27 said: Rumour started by Steve Wraith and co. Probably picked a random rich Middle Eastern organisation and hope it sticks Lad who runs the company gets his teeth done by the Geordie Dentist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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