PIF, PCP, and RB Sports & Media

[Ankles Bennett]

4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Nah, they bought us to get there products and companies out there, what a way to do that owning a PL club. The profit any PL club could possibly make is loose change to PIF.

Yes but look what Man City are worth now compared to what it cost to buy them!

[Optimistic Nut]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Nice research. Didn't realise it was that bad tbh.

Only 1 club has broken the top 4 in those 12 years. 
 

Chelsea are the only club from those 6 clubs to finish outside the top 8 in those 12 seasons, and they came back to win it the next season. It’s been a massively closed shop but for Leicester’s few seasons.

[Jackie Broon]

10 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

63 of the last 72 top 6 finishes since Man City emerged on the scene have been taken by those 6 clubs. That’s a helluva domination tbh.

 

 

 

 

This article, about why FFP is probably unlawful under competition law, has some interesting stuff in it about research showing that FFP has directly increased the dominance of the current top clubs:

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17441056.2021.1935570

 

With over a decade for the effects of FFP to set in and for data to be collected, the evidence is empirically showing that FFP has in fact led to the fossilization of European leagues. One 2019 study, claiming to present the “first empirical analysis of the potential effects of FFP on competition in the major European football leagues”, collected and analyzed a novel and extensive dataset covering more than 300 clubs across the first and second tiers of the Big Five Leagues pre- and post-FFP.120 The results of this study showed that “FFP has further amplified competitive imbalance” and “tends to make European football leagues less equilibrated and to freeze current hierarchies”.121 The study notes that an “important driver of this result rests on the finding that a larger number of investors makes a league more equilibrated[] because … investors might break up established structures and increase competition”, but FFP raises barriers against new investors.122 The study also echoes that FFP “benefits already successful clubs and makes it more difficult for less successful teams to spend more money on new players to improve the squad, which, in turn, results in lower competition”.123 Ultimately, based on the empirical evidence analyzed, the study finds that FFP has resulted “in an ossification of established hierarchies in football leagues”

[FloydianMag]

7 minutes ago, Ankles Bennett said:

Yes but look what Man City are worth now compared to what it cost to buy them!

Yes, £2 billion, however given that PIF are worth between £320-700 billion according to various sources it still ain’t huge, maybe to us but not them. Remember the paid Qatar £1 billion compensation to settle the piracy issue and didn’t even blink.

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

This article, about why FFP is probably unlawful under competition law, has some interesting stuff in it about research showing that FFP has directly increased the dominance of the current top clubs:

 

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17441056.2021.1935570

 

With over a decade for the effects of FFP to set in and for data to be collected, the evidence is empirically showing that FFP has in fact led to the fossilization of European leagues. One 2019 study, claiming to present the “first empirical analysis of the potential effects of FFP on competition in the major European football leagues”, collected and analyzed a novel and extensive dataset covering more than 300 clubs across the first and second tiers of the Big Five Leagues pre- and post-FFP.120 The results of this study showed that “FFP has further amplified competitive imbalance” and “tends to make European football leagues less equilibrated and to freeze current hierarchies”.121 The study notes that an “important driver of this result rests on the finding that a larger number of investors makes a league more equilibrated[] because … investors might break up established structures and increase competition”, but FFP raises barriers against new investors.122 The study also echoes that FFP “benefits already successful clubs and makes it more difficult for less successful teams to spend more money on new players to improve the squad, which, in turn, results in lower competition”.123 Ultimately, based on the empirical evidence analyzed, the study finds that FFP has resulted “in an ossification of established hierarchies in football leagues”

Working exactly as intended. 

[gjohnson]

27 minutes ago, Manxst said:

Not just about profit, but also about the ‘sportswashing’ and changing the view of Saudi in Western eyes. That’s beyond money.

 

Completely this.

 

There's been reams and reams written about how Saudi is so terrible, but curiously it's never reported how they have been consistently at the top for about 10 years in improving the human rights in their country. There's some league for it somewhere....

 

Yes they still are quite horrific by our standards and still commit terrible atrocities, but they've made concessions far beyond what they could have done if remaining purely driven by the Quran. Sport washing is one, but that opens them up to having to tolerate alcohol to a degree and letting up on LBGQT which is another step.

 

If bin Salman went on Saudi TV tomorrow and said that everything was changing to Western standards as of now, there'd be a coup de tat by the end of the week. Got to remember a lot of the population are completely engrained and happy as to how their country is ran, so changes have to be subtle and gradual.

[Happinesstan]

58 minutes ago, Ankles Bennett said:

Seems to me the big 6 are trying to force PIF out.  The whole purpose of buying NUFC was to make a profit as they are an investment group.  If we are prohibited from making eye watering sponsorship deals we will never be worth more than what they paid for us and PIF might decide to cut their losses and sell their share in us!

They couldn't give two fucks about financial profit from these ventures. They're investing in public image.

[gjohnson]

1 minute ago, Happinesstan said:

They couldn't give two fucks about financial profit from these ventures. They're investing in public image.

This....although i phrased it a bit differently

[manorpark]

48 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

63 of the last 72 top 6 finishes since Man City emerged on the scene have been taken by those 6 clubs. That’s a helluva domination tbh.

 

 

 

 

It will not change immediately, but the most delightful  thing about our takeover is that WE will change that around completely, in due course.

 

YES, the sheer certainty of that happening (and it being US that do it) is the best thing about it !!!!

 

HAPPY DAYS . . . 

[Happinesstan]

Just now, manorpark said:

 

It will not change immediately, but the most delightful  thing about our takeover is that WE will change that around completely, in due course.

 

YES, the sheer certainty of that happening (and it being US that do it) is the best thing about it !!!!

 

HAPPY DAYS . . . 

The delightful thing about our takeover is that we will soon be one of the cunts. Triffic.

[Jackie Broon]

11 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

They couldn't give two fucks about financial profit from these ventures. They're investing in public image.

 

Which, unfortunately, is even more of a reason that they could move on to another club if we are relegated.

[FloydianMag]

9 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

The delightful thing about our takeover is that we will soon be one of the cunts. Triffic.

Id rather be a rich cunt though and competing than what we’ve suffered for the last 14 years. If you can’t beat them…………

[Manxst]

2 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Which, unfortunately, is even more of a reason that they could move on to another club if we are relegated.

It’s been talked about to death. They won’t sell just because we’re relegated. 

[Happinesstan]

3 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Id rather be a rich cunt though and competing than what we’ve suffered for the last 14 years. If you can’t beat them…………

I've never really understood the desire to be 'rich'. What does it mean? I can get the desire to earn a million, that's an ambition, an attainable target. but being ambiguously 'rich' seems like an empty life.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Happinesstan

[gjohnson]

4 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Which, unfortunately, is even more of a reason that they could move on to another club if we are relegated.

Only if someone else wants to buy.

 

You can't sell if there's no-one willing to take something off your hands. 

[Jackie Broon]

10 minutes ago, Manxst said:

It’s been talked about to death. They won’t sell just because we’re relegated. 

 

It hasn't really been talked about at all, everyone just seems to be sticking their head in the sand about it.

 

If we go down PIF are left with a club that, even if we did get straight back up, would have lost all of the FFP advantage we currently have and have very limited ability to spend.

 

If we get relegated and Man U, or Chelsea or even Leeds are available, if you don't think they would consider jumping ship you are being very naive.

 

 

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Jackie Broon

[FloydianMag]

11 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

I've never really understood the desire to be 'rich'. What does it mean? I can get the desire to earn a million, that's an ambition, an attainable target. but being ambiguously 'rich' seems like an empty life.

 

 

 

A million gets you fuck all in the PL.

[Jackie Broon]

9 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

Only if someone else wants to buy.

 

You can't sell if there's no-one willing to take something off your hands. 

 

It's pennies to them, they could give away their share for nothing without losing sleep over it.

[xLiaaamx]

Spending 2 odd years trying to buy us to sell us in half a year 

[TRon]

15 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

I've never really understood the desire to be 'rich'. What does it mean? I can get the desire to earn a million, that's an ambition, an attainable target. but being ambiguously 'rich' seems like an empty life.

 

 

 

 

It's not about being rich though, it's about being on a level playing field. For that you need to be rich these days. Otherwise you end up fighting to avoid relegation like us currently. 

[Pixelphish]

Lot of wet pants in here as per.

[manorpark]

29 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

The delightful thing about our takeover is that we will soon be one of the cunts. Triffic.

 

We will NEVER be one of the 'cunts' - Triffic !!!!

 

Other than 'in your head' I suppose, because you must want us to be cunts.

 

"Cunts" are people who are a certain type, and behave in a certain way. I do not ever see Staveley/Reubens/PIF ever wanting to be be "Cunts" . . . it isn't automatic you know.

 

Our club will not, can not, be "cunts", but we will PUNCTURE the egos of a lot of "cunts".

 

[Manxst]

14 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

It hasn't really been talked about at all, everyone just seems to be sticking their head in the sand about it.

 

If we go down PIF are left with a club that, even if we did get straight back up, would have lost all of the FFP advantage we currently have and have very limited ability to spend.

 

If we get relegated and Man U, or Chelsea or even Leeds are available, if you don't think they would consider jumping ship you are being very naive.

 

 

 

 

It’s not naive when you consider all those clubs would cost several times more than us. And that would be after they magic a buyer for us. Wouldn’t they have bought them to start with if they wanted them? Especially given our league position which hasn’t altered since the sale? Or perhaps those clubs are maybe not for sale after all? 
 

Not to mention the pride being lost, and losing business face at running immediately out of a business deal when things have gone wrong for one year- it’s simply not the way they would do it, imo. 

I’ve seen pages on here being talked about exactly this topic? 

[gjohnson]

11 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

It's pennies to them, they could give away their share for nothing without losing sleep over it.

Pennies it might be, but £300m pounds is still £300m pounds and is a lot to throw away even if you can afford it.

 

Giving us away would probably see someone on a gallows in Riyadh for incompetent investment.

 

Not happening

[Manxst]

13 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

It's pennies to them, they could give away their share for nothing without losing sleep over it.

Monetarily yes. Culturally and business wise, not at all.