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1 minute ago, Conjo said:

 

Not if all teams enter from the first round.

 

More than 700 teams compete in the FA Cup. You'd need about ten rounds! 

 

Mind you West Didsbury & Chorlton (a) sounds canny.

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Just now, KDT said:

 

So are you saying that it would be limited to only clubs playing as low as League 2 or are you going all the way down the football pyramid to Northern League level or whatever the equivalents are that enter at the first qualifying round?

 

Without having looked into how many games it would end up being, then yes ideally every team from PL to the lowest league level enters the same round.

 

If that ends up being an unreasonable amount of games over a season then I may have to retract my statement :lol:

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3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

More than 700 teams compete in the FA Cup. You'd need about ten rounds! 

 

Mind you West Didsbury & Chorlton (a) sounds canny.

 

If a PL team wins both League & FA cup they'll play either 11 or 12 games depending on which round of the League Cup they enter.

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1 hour ago, 80 said:

One thing I'd go along with is scrapping the league cup. It's been dead for a long long time. I'd actually be a bit gutted if our first trophy was that because it's not too far off our intertoto win for me.

 

To balance it out, I'd give a Champion's League spot to the FA Cup winner...

 

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1 hour ago, 80 said:

One thing I'd go along with is scrapping the league cup. It's been dead for a long long time. I'd actually be a bit gutted if our first trophy was that because it's not too far off our intertoto win for me.

 

To balance it out, I'd give a Champion's League spot to the FA Cup winner...

Nah, not having that at all.  I’d go crackers if we win the LC - and no chance would I want to reduce the number of competitions 

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Aye, there will come a time when one or more top flight clubs take the PL to court.

 

The Governing body have essentially created a vague set of rules that limits a private entity from spending based on its income, whilst simultaneously limiting how it can increase that income. I don't see how it complies with anti-competition law.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Nah, not having that at all.  I’d go crackers if we win the LC - and no chance would I want to reduce the number of competitions 

I'd be happy if we won it but I'd also get rid of it. Never really saw the point if it in the first place, even less so now.

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36 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 

Without having looked into how many games it would end up being, then yes ideally every team from PL to the lowest league level enters the same round.

 

If that ends up being an unreasonable amount of games over a season then I may have to retract my statement :lol:

Having all in at once may be a bit far. Definitely have all league clubs and National league join in the same round though.

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3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

 

More than 700 teams compete in the FA Cup. You'd need about ten rounds! 

 

Mind you West Didsbury & Chorlton (a) sounds canny.

If 700 teams enter the first round, 350 are eliminated. How many are currently eliminated in the first qualifying round?

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3 hours ago, Conjo said:

 

If a PL team wins both League & FA cup they'll play either 11 or 12 games depending on which round of the League Cup they enter.

PL clubs currently [not this fucked up season] play 5 rounds in the LC before entering the FA cup in the 3rd round, so there are 12 games at the moment. If your idea is to replace the League Cup then the games will probably be similar.

I do think it will limit te opportunities for lower league clubs to progress though, so it's probably a bad idea.

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3 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

At some point the other clubs need to grow some bollocks and mount a legal challenge.  And I include our own in that - fuck playing their stupid FFP games.  The whole thing has become a racket. 

It's been a racket for a long time. 

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Howay with the four posts in a row. :lol: use the multi quote function. 

 

Anyway, the qualifying rounds are surely a good thing because it provides revenue opportunities for teams in the 8th/9th/10th tier to play several games; rather then being immediately disposed of in some dead rubber tie, by someone from the National League system and upwards. 

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2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Howay with the four posts in a row. :lol: use the multi quote function. 

That would require me to know what I'm going to say in reply to posts I've yet to read. Sounds like a facility for the contrived. 

 

3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Anyway, the qualifying rounds are surely a good thing because it provides revenue opportunities for teams in the 8th/9th/10th tier to play several games; rather then being immediately disposed of in some dead rubber tie, by someone from the National League system and upwards. 

I did acknowledge this, in my second, and longest, post of the four. Yet you appear to have missed it. Who knows what you might have missed if they'd all been in one post.

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I suppose it would be too much to ask for the sake of easy content to make the Europa/Confrence Leagues - cups like the UEFA/Cup Winners. Cuts down the number of games and number of uninteresting games massively.

Added bonus would be people might actually care about those competitions again and differentiating it from the Champions League instead of just being a D and F version of it. There's a reason why those competetions get infinitely more interesting in the latter stages - use it.

 

 

 

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Having read the full Ziegler article now, there's not much about the 'new deal' to like, inevitably. 

 

I suppose I wouldn't hate the idea of teams competing in Europe being given the option to not participate in the League Cup, in order to ease congestion. It would be degrading to the competition of course but not as degrading as insisting they only played the stiffs.

 

It's impossible not to be totally cynical about the league-based alterations. Whatever is proposed you know it's entirely motivated by the idea of pulling up the drawbridge. 

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11 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Having read the full Ziegler article now, there's not much about the 'new deal' to like, inevitably. 

 

I suppose I wouldn't hate the idea of teams competing in Europe being given the option to not participate in the League Cup, in order to ease congestion. It would be degrading to the competition of course but not as degrading as insisting they only played the stiffs.

 

It's impossible not to be totally cynical about the league-based alterations. Whatever is proposed you know it's entirely motivated by the idea of pulling up the drawbridge. 

You can see legal battles in the not to distant future.

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1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Howay with the four posts in a row. :lol: use the multi quote function. 

 

Anyway, the qualifying rounds are surely a good thing because it provides revenue opportunities for teams in the 8th/9th/10th tier to play several games; rather then being immediately disposed of in some dead rubber tie, by someone from the National League system and upwards. 

If teams at that level get drawn away will they make a profit or loss from it ?

 

Also by getting the league teams involved earlier, though I agree with them not being in from the start, those lower teams have a better chance of getting larger teams in the draw thus getting a real pay day.

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