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15 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

This is a decent post on the matter, kind of sums up where I am;

 

https://true-faith.co.uk/takeover-a-different-point-of-view-on-the-new-newcastle-united/

Man this comment:

 

”Here we go typical bloody Guardian ideology shite. Human rights, whatever that means, if indeed human rights actually exist. Is just a means of imposing one’s own moral judgement upon another regardless of any consideration other than their own perceived piety.”

 

What in actual fuck. “Human rights? That’s bullshit”. Wow people are depressing 

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15 hours ago, Tomato Deuce said:


:lol: he was sniffing around the Bills a few years back. I’d have yeeted myself off a cliff Yao-meme style.

 

:lol: Would have been awkward as fuck storming the capital as a thank you for Josh Allen.

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I'm concerned we're not going to see anything like this again, because of fan backlash at something that could annoy our owners.  If we don't ever have another similar display people will understandably think the Saudis have successfully sportwashed us into shutting up about prejudice, if Wor Flags or others suggest something similar in the near future then I'm sure fans will accuse them of just doing it to stir the pot and side with the takeover's detractors in the media.  One thing is for sure, anything like this would be edited out of coverage over there.

 

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1 hour ago, BlueStar said:

 

That ending line is absolutely awful. He's just said it's not complicated but then only asked half the question. No, I don't like murder or torture... but what now?

 

This is apparently an assault on football, everyone's problem, but nobody seems willing to do 'something' about it. Outraged fans are only bothered enough to spam some tweets out calling us bastards. Where are their protests? Where is their action? Nobody seems to have answers but the expectation is on us to deal with it.

 

Doesn't he have ties to the area too? Fairly shocking, if so.

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Just now, Tiresias said:

Yeah he's a long time Sunderland fan but usually alright. I get a lot of what he's saying but attitude to fans is condescending and hopeless. 

Yeah I usually don’t mind him, but it’s misjudged. 

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Nobody is truly conflicted man :lol:

 

The violation of human rights is so insane that anybody who was truly conflicted would struggle with following the club. I'm not going to go as far as claiming faux outrage, as highlighting this stuff is important (even if the ones shouting about it tend to be annoying as fuck), but the vast majority of it is probably posturing (Newcastle fans) or jelousy (other fans). The latter is pretty simple, it generally isn't a great feeling to see your rivals doing well, so trying to find easy comfort helps. There isn't a single group of fans in the prem that wouldn't be wanking themselves in the streets if this had happened to them. Like are we truly meant to believe that hammers fans would be out in droves with banners in hand telling the PLC to fuck off back to saudi if West Ham randomly became the ritchest club on the planet overnight :lol: No, they would be exactly the same as us, East London would be absolutely stinking of jizz.

 

The amount of damage we collectively cause is fucking astronomical, I'm not drawing the line at my club turing into PSG like :lol:

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My ignorance of middle eastern politics and culture protects my from feeling shit about something I have no control over.

 

I did watch a canny documentary on Saudi desert wildlife the other day which was nice 

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I don’t think it’s as complex as people, and some opinion columns in particular, are making out. Everything in life is multi-faceted but we seem to have this need to declare something either good or bad as a binary matter. 
 

In most walks of life, things are both good and bad at the same time. A basic example is how I feel about work: it’s great to have a salary and some spending money, occasionally work is quite fun and interesting to the mind and you make friends. On the other hand, it can be boring and repetitive, it’s too constant and intrudes on your private life more than you want.

 

In this instance, there are many good things  - a club which has been neglected and ruined gets reinvigorated and a region which needs investment gets it when it wouldn’t have otherwise, benefitting millions of people. There are also bad things about it, because the people ultimately behind the money get up to some pretty nasty shit and are arguably doing this to distract from that. It also is the latest step in our national sport being a persistent commodity for sale. 
 

In our world it doesn’t seem normal or fashionable to view things analytically and consider both sides and say that neither “wins out”: you are pressured to have a resolution because maybe we can’t deal with any degree of complexity anymore. Everything that’s been said about the takeover is pretty valid. It doesn’t make one a hypocrite to enjoy supporting Newcastle again while KSA stones women or murders dissidents, in my opinion. You can be both delighted at the investment and deeply perturbed by the terrible acts at the same time - most things exist in conflict and we’ve always got to take the good and the bad. 

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There would probably be a few German clubs would turn their back on it; but yeah not a single set of PL fans would. Don’t agree that you can’t be conflicted, or it’s posturing from our fans. 

 

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Business as usual is ok but buy little Newcastle Utd and the Saudis are all suddenly sabre wielding terrorists. 
 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1022854/saudi-arabia-trade-and-investment-factsheet-2021-10-07.pdf

Total trade in goods and services (exports plus imports) between the UK and Saudi Arabia was £8.5 billion in the four quarters to the end of Q1 2021
In the four quarters to the end of Q1 2021, total UK exports to Saudi Arabia amounted to £6.7 billion (an increase of 5.6% or £355 million compared to the four quarters to the end of Q1 2020).
This means the UK reported a total trade surplus of £4.9 billion with Saudi Arabia

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/saudi-arabia-uk-arms-sale-b1884158.html

 

British arms sales to Saudi Arabian regime three times higher than previously thought, investigation finds

Probe of secretive open licence system finds total sales since Yemen bombardment began is close £20 billion. 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, ManDoon said:

There would probably be a few German clubs would turn their back on it; but yeah not a single set of PL fans would. Don’t agree that you can’t be conflicted, or it’s posturing from our fans. 

 

I mean if people actually take action (I assume a small amount will) and walk away from the club (or campaign against the owners or something) then fair play to them, they aren't posturing. The vast majority of it is though, I just cannot wrap my brain around how anyone could be 'conflicted' about something as legitimately serious as human rights, and human rights abusers purchasing their club, and still come to the conclusion that it's okay to support said club.

 

Like personally I'm perfectly fine in admitting that I couldn't give a shit who owns us as long as I can enjoy watching football again. Adolf Hitler could have rose from the grave to buy out Ashley and I'd have shook the blokes hand.

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1 minute ago, Aiston said:

We should never forget what scum the new owners are.

 

Don't think language like this is gonna help the discourse though.  But yeah, the Saudi government are horrid and need to sort their shit out.

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