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Newcastle United 3 - 3 Brentford (20/11/2021)


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45 minutes ago, Pilko said:

Really unlucky today. Brentford's first was shocking from a piss poor shit keeper and their third was a huge deflection after two lucky breaks in the buildup.

 

As many shots on target today as you'd see in 3 months worth of Bruce games. Much better and a huge step in the right direction.

 

This is my feeling too. Yes we were under pressure a fair amount, but those goals should be fairly easily ironed out. Goalkeeping error. Ignorance at the back post. Weak defending leading to a poor own goal. Annoying that on a day where we easily scored 3 and could have had more we allowed that to happen. But we cant have expected everything today. Frustrating that it was a great opportunity being at home to Brentford granted but that team has improved without question and it will again.

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Our midfield wasn't even there when Brentford had the ball. They got through as if they were playing against cones, time and time again. 

 

Defending was shocking too.all over the place. Willock couldn't do one thing right. Murphy and Ritchie offered nothing but weakness. 

 

Joelinton was class. Apart from the miss in the end he was our best player by far. 

 

To be honest, people thought the difference was absolutely massive compared to before. Better, yes, but I don't think it was all that. Good performance but still moving the ball too slowly and too many punts forward with the ball. Hopefully with more time we can get better, and most importantly more solid. Like headless chickens at times. 

 

 

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  • Rich changed the title to Newcastle United 3 - 3 Brentford (20/11/2021)

Pleased with the performance but Ritchie and Murphy are just so poor defensively, cb just to weak 1 on 1 and gk was awful. I think if Darlow hadn't let in the first it could have been much different. The difference from that game to last regime was massive but defence just isn't good enough and not much coaching staff can do about that. Get dubs back in and could change slightly. If that was first game of the season and not nearly Xmas and bottom of league I'd be over the moon. Roll on January.

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Replace Ritchie with Almiron if we go 3 at the back. Ritchie when they scored their 2nd was absolutely abysmal. Brentford player didn't even move quickly inside and Ritchie still wasn't able to cut him off/press him to a degree so that the player couldn't cross it to the. Far post. 

 

Sometimes when the opposition has 1-2 players attacking our central penalty are or the 1st post we are like bees on honey and have all our defenders trying to defend that one area, leaving another opposition player free at the back post. Time and time again ffs. Too mcu ball watching. 

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A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.

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1 minute ago, Cronky said:

A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.

Agree with the first bit but not that we should play defensive, the defenders definitely need to improve as there 3 goals could and should have been stopped even in the formation we played as they were all stupid errors. We aren't good enough to just play defensive and expect results and who wants to play like that. Prefer us to go down fighting than revert back to previous shit. Should have won that game and the effort yesterday was brilliant. I think we will improve each game but its definitely going to be a struggle now to stay up but I'll be behind them now. 

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We just don't have good enough centrebacks. Throwing in 3 to cover their weakness solves nothing. And why Ritchie still keeps his place is beyond me. He just can't defend to save his life, and every team has taken advantage of it.

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1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Tbf the 3 centre backs could just as much be to cover our lack of fullbacks.

 

We need a couple of defenders desperately in January.

True, but we are leaking goals from fullback/wingback area anyway. Playing 3 centre backs usually means one steps up to join midfield occasionally when we have the ball. Clark and Lascelles don't have the legs, so tha only leaves Schär, you doesn't seem to stay fit.

 

We also need defensive midfielder.

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23 minutes ago, Cronky said:

A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.

That wasn’t a Brazilian national team manager. That was Rafa describing us :lol:

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30 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Replace Ritchie with Almiron if we go 3 at the back. Ritchie when they scored their 2nd was absolutely abysmal. Brentford player didn't even move quickly inside and Ritchie still wasn't able to cut him off/press him to a degree so that the player couldn't cross it to the. Far post. 

 

Sometimes when the opposition has 1-2 players attacking our central penalty are or the 1st post we are like bees on honey and have all our defenders trying to defend that one area, leaving another opposition player free at the back post. Time and time again ffs. Too mcu ball watching. 

 

My first response was to wince, but there's some merit to this. When shoehorned into centre midfield, he was always diligent in working up and back. Wingback is such a specialised position - one of the reasons we're vulnerable at the back - but Almiron is disciplined and hardworking, and maybe Howe can convince him to turn into Marcos Alonso or Chilwell?

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27 minutes ago, Cronky said:

A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.

Aye lets play defensively when out weakest part of the team is defense!     Is that you Bruce?

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30 minutes ago, Cronky said:

A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.


Except when we camped everyone behind the ball under Bruce, we still got smashed. 
 

For me it’s about keeping possession versus conceding it all, and pressing the opponent versus letting them do whatever they want. 
 

I agree we need to find a way to stop so many goals though. A good keeper and player defenders at fullback is probably the short term answer. 

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7 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

Aye lets play defensively when out weakest part of the team is defense!     Is that you Bruce?

[emoji38]  I was going post the same, but then I thought better of it.  Been cranky and confrontational all day.

 

Under Bruce playing defensively is all we did. Literally. Sat back, absorbed pressure and pray that could catch them on abreak.. or score from a set piece, or win a penalty. And we still allowed more goals than anyone else in the league save Norwich.

Edit: ah Isee ayedubbleyoo,went there.

 

 

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I loved yesterday's match, it was exciting, it was fun to watch (if a little emotional), but that's what's been missing for so long. We'll add to the defense in January I'm sure, but if we can play like we did yesterday for the rest of the season, albeit with Dubs in goal and I think we'll improve enough to survive. I'm curious to see if our new manager will adapt his tactics on a game to game situation, or whether he's a one-trick-pony and all he can do is attack, I suspect he has somewhat more skill than the previous manager's pre-disposition to a single style - watching us is interesting again!

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We looked fitter, sharper and played with more purpose going forward with some decent football played at times, Shelvey and Joelinton were very good I thought and ASM looked more freed up and scored a very well taken goal. We still look sloppy all over the park though, especially in defence and transitional play where it was too easy for Brentford at times just to play and run through us. Howe has a massive job keeping this side up he really does. Willock needs to up his game massively, he quickly disappears. 

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Midfield protection for the back 3 CH was laughable at times looking at the highlights.

We have poor full backs, substandard midfielders and only 1 or 2 competeent CH...not a recipe for any sort of success (by whatever standards you measure success against)

 

Willock looks a shell of his former form (fitness or confidence?) The movement in midfield at times looked geriatric, offering no options for forward momentum when playing out from the back.

 

The positional sense of the players playing in the full back roles was awful: we need proper full backs not make shift wingers/wing backs.

 

Eddie has a lot to sort out and sort out fast looking at yesterdays 'better' performance.

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4 minutes ago, George Bailey said:

Midfield protection for the back 3 CH was laughable at times looking at the highlights.

We have poor full backs, substandard midfielders and only 1 or 2 competeent CH...not a recipe for any sort of success (by whatever standards you measure success against)

 

Willock looks a shell of his former form (fitness or confidence?) The movement in midfield at times looked geriatric, offering no options for forward momentum when playing out from the back.

 

The positional sense of the players playing in the full back roles was awful: we need proper full backs not make shift wingers/wing backs.

 

Eddie has a lot to sort out and sort out fast looking at yesterdays 'better' performance.

I agree but the rot is slowly being eradicated.  

 

Im not concerned with the league position at this point, Im more concerned about setting the foundations and the start of the rebuilding.   NUFC has been neglected for so long.   Yesterday we turned 20-30% possession football and 0-1 shots at goal into 52% possession, 29 shots at goal and 9 on target, and restricted the opposition to 4 shots on target. In terms of enjoyment from a match, yesterday was at another level, the crowd were engaged.

 

Hopefully we have enough time to escape relegation but if we dont, Id rather go down with games like yesterday than Bruce ball where the only thing you had to look forward to was going for a piss so you could escape the shite being served up!

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19 hours ago, Wullie said:

Jesus Christ

 

What did you make of it, Wullie? Can remember asking you a while back whether or not you would be able to turn the tap back on, so to speak, when the takeover finally happened. Any sense of getting 'the feelings' back yet? (no expectation, just genuinely curious!) 

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Fwiw I thought Brentford were just as sloppy as we were and although like us, they will be a threat going forward, or rather they will get in among the goals enough, they looked even dodgier than us at the back. 2 points dropped, however, IMO. If we want to stay up, we have to be beating these at home.

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