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Newcastle United 3 - 3 Brentford (20/11/2021)


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1 hour ago, Ikon said:

Replace Ritchie with Almiron if we go 3 at the back. Ritchie when they scored their 2nd was absolutely abysmal. Brentford player didn't even move quickly inside and Ritchie still wasn't able to cut him off/press him to a degree so that the player couldn't cross it to the. Far post. 

 

Sometimes when the opposition has 1-2 players attacking our central penalty are or the 1st post we are like bees on honey and have all our defenders trying to defend that one area, leaving another opposition player free at the back post. Time and time again ffs. Too mcu ball watching. 


Ritchie has been targeted by opposition all season and it’s worked big time. So many goals coming from his side. He should be nowhere near the team.

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Still don't see the advantage to three at the back. Half of the time one or both is just marking fresh air and even with 3 we still let their forward win the ball by dropping off easily. I'd rather play Manq and Lewis in a 4 and then have Almiron at 10 as we're always missing a link between midfield and attack. 

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Should not need to score 4 at home to win a game. 

 

Felt like every single time they attacked it was going to be a goal. 

 

You can have all the numbers back that you want but if you're not organised you will leak goals.

All 3 were shambolic. 

Our wingbacks seem to be what costs us the most goals. 

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Just now, alexf said:

Should not need to score 4 at home to win a game. 

 

Felt like every single time they attacked it was going to be a goal. 

 

You can have all the numbers back that you want but if you're not organised you will leak goals.

All 3 were shambolic. 

Our wingbacks seem to be what costs us the most goals. 


 

Ive been going since  1976 , whenever the oppo attack ive ALWAYS felt they will score mate , it’s inbred to think like this [emoji38]

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Not during the Rafa era. 

He had the same set of players aswell apart from Lejeune.

 

That is the worst part of the horrific Bruce era. He has taken a well drilled organised defensive unit and turned them into this. 

 

What worries me is I don't know if Howe is the one to organise it and fix it and if he is, does he have enough time? 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Awaymag said:

Aye lets play defensively when out weakest part of the team is defense!     Is that you Bruce?

 

Defending isn't just the responsibility of the defenders. 50% of the midfield's job is to defend, and we haven't got the balance right in that area. We don't have a specialist DM who can correct that imbalance. I see Hayden more as an average box-to-box player who is making the best of the anchor role, and Hendrick doesn't want the responsibility.

 

In fairness to Bruce, he did try to bring in a DM and was blocked. In fairness to myself, I knew at the time that we were then in big trouble and so it has proved. 

 

As I said, it's a moot point whether it's best to batten down the hatches or go for it. But the general wisdom in football is that a team that tries to compensate for a weak defence by outscoring the opposition ends up in trouble.

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4 minutes ago, Cronky said:

 

Defending isn't just the responsibility of the defenders. 50% of the midfield's job is to defend, and we haven't got the balance right in that area. We don't have a specialist DM who can correct that imbalance. I see Hayden more as an average box-to-box player who is making the best of the anchor role, and Hendrick doesn't want the responsibility.

 

In fairness to Bruce, he did try to bring in a DM and was blocked. In fairness to myself, I knew at the time that we were then in big trouble and so it has proved. 

 

As I said, it's a moot point whether it's best to batten down the hatches or go for it. But the general wisdom in football is that a team that tries to compensate for a weak defence by outscoring the opposition ends up in trouble.

Aye, because Bruce's priority was to reward the fella that saved his job.

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2 hours ago, Cronky said:

A Brazilian national team manager once said that managing a football team was like being in a bed with a blanket that is too small. If you hitch the blanket up to your shoulders, your feet get cold, and if you cover your feet, your shoulders are exposed.

 

That's the position we're in, and have been in all season. If we pick an attacking line up, the defence gets exposed, if we play defensively, we can't score. To some extent, every team faces some sort of dilemma like that, but in our case it's quite extreme. 

 

Until we strengthen the squad, I think our better bet is to play defensively, but there's not a lot in it.

 

You win football matches by getting more goals than the opposition.

 

You get more goals than the opposition by consistently creating more chances than them.

 

I know not all chances are equal but assuming they are for a moment, if they're having 10 chances and we have 2, we're not going to consistently win.

 

You need to create more than the opposition. Once you factor in XG you need to have yours greater than the opponent's long-term to get success. I don't believe you can do this by playing defensively.

 

That's not to say we should be streaming forward like absolute lunatics at every opportunity, but shutting up shop like we did under Jones is just delayed suicide. We MUST carry a threat. Yesterday we created way more than Brentford. Play that game 100 times and we win way more than we lose or draw. I say we carry on that way rather than how Jones set us up, because that way we lose more than we win or draw.

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10 minutes ago, Chris_R said:

 

You win football matches by getting more goals than the opposition.

 

You get more goals than the opposition by consistently creating more chances than them.

 

I know not all chances are equal but assuming they are for a moment, if they're having 10 chances and we have 2, we're not going to consistently win.

 

You need to create more than the opposition. Once you factor in XG you need to have yours greater than the opponent's long-term to get success. I don't believe you can do this by playing defensively.

 

That's not to say we should be streaming forward like absolute lunatics at every opportunity, but shutting up shop like we did under Jones is just delayed suicide. We MUST carry a threat. Yesterday we created way more than Brentford. Play that game 100 times and we win way more than we lose or draw. I say we carry on that way rather than how Jones set us up, because that way we lose more than we win or draw.

 

We need a midfield capable and mobile enough to offer both an offensive outlet and threat, and able to protect our centre halves and woefully weak full backs, and act as a defensive barrier. 

Agree with you entirely with regards to attacking intent, coupled with a solid defensive ability in built into the team, starting in the midfield areas.

 

We need to buy that in my opinion, as I don't see it in any of the players we currently have.  Unless Howe is simply a genius.

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19 minutes ago, Wilson said:

https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/tindall-talks-after-magpies-draw-with-brentford/

 

Great having people at the club who are well spoken and don't just wheel out tired clichés at every opportunity. 

Aye, they all come across so well, they seem calm, calculated and hard working. Just a shame we sit bottom and Ashley and Bruce have hamstrung the club so much recently, again.

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3 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

 

 

 

He was very good yesterday, a very strong, mobile CF performance who defended so well in his own box too. We made a huge mistake letting him leave. I hope he smashes it week in week out at this level.

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