Crypto/NFT/Fan Tokens in Football

[xLiaaamx]

Fully convinced its all just for criminals to launder money. 

[Billy Pilgrim]

Herbalife for men

[NEEJ]

25 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

Herbalife for men

[Happinesstan]

4 hours ago, LV said:

I wish we’d go back to direct barter 

 

I’ll give you a bushel of wheat if you give me a hand-job behind the bins. That kind of thing. 

 

 

 

There'll be germs all over that bushel of wheat by the time I get it home.

[Optimistic Nut]

I’ve no idea what Bitcoin is.

[Nucasol]

Another Ponzi scheme picking up on people’s desperation to get rich quick and live like a celebrity. See also Football Index:

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/12/we-couldnt-work-it-out-football-index-ex-employee-on-firms-business-plan

[James]

My only interest is the possibility that we auction the NFT for the Shola Apple picture and an anonymous bidder buys it for £500m, enabling us to work around those new sponsorship rules

[Thiago]

NFT's are basically charging folk for desktop wallpapers.

[Kid Icarus]

I love how the reaction to the shorting of GameStop and the creation of the European Super League was done by people who are hugely and vocally antithetical to politics, let alone any kind of Marxist theory, yet there's apparently a movement of NFT advocates that think they're doing praxis. It's incredible.

[Divun Naa]

52 minutes ago, kisearch said:

I love how the reaction to the shorting of GameStop and the creation of the European Super League was done by people who are hugely and vocally antithetical to politics, let alone any kind of Marxist theory, yet there's apparently a movement of NFT advocates that think they're doing praxis. It's incredible.

Under normal circumstances I'd agree but we now live in a world where simping has become normalised so all bets are off when it comes to rational decision making.  If anyone had told me such things would exist 15-20 years ago I'd have laughed in their face.

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, Divun Naa said:

Under normal circumstances I'd agree but we now live in a world where simping has become normalised so all bets are off when it comes to rational decision making.  If anyone had told me such things would exist 15-20 years ago I'd have laughed in their face.

I don't think we're disagreeing here, the world's gone absolutely mad. Just think it's so funny that the people who are completely against politics and any kind of Marxist influenced praxis are the ones who were unknowingly much closer to doing it in the interests of 'fairness' (while admittedly simping for hypercapitalists like Musk) than the NFTers who think they're doing it but aren't.

 

Fair play to anyone who can pick any of this apart and make any sense of it because there are so many things happening in all of these different realms that are completely contradictory, even on a personal level.

[OpenC]

1 hour ago, kisearch said:

Fair play to anyone who can pick any of this apart and make any sense of it because there are so many things happening in all of these different realms that are completely contradictory, even on a personal level.

 

to this in particular

[Billy Pilgrim]

2 hours ago, kisearch said:

I don't think we're disagreeing here, the world's gone absolutely mad. Just think it's so funny that the people who are completely against politics and any kind of Marxist influenced praxis are the ones who were unknowingly much closer to doing it in the interests of 'fairness' (while admittedly simping for hypercapitalists like Musk) than the NFTers who think they're doing it but aren't.

 

Fair play to anyone who can pick any of this apart and make any sense of it because there are so many things happening in all of these different realms that are completely contradictory, even on a personal level.

It isn’t that weird, the praxis cult are naturally suited toward advocating for enormous abstract solutions to otherwise easily solvable problems on the basis of dogma. This is a modernity where your Marxist vanguard consists of the trust fund sons of somebody dudebros like ‘fully automated luxury communism’ sarkar or bastani or some tech nerd on twitch. If you hold to the fallacies of historical materialism and the labour theory of value, then NFTs are another nail for your hammer. 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim

[Kid Icarus]

22 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

It isn’t that weird, the praxis cult are naturally suited toward advocating for enormous abstract solutions to otherwise easily solvable problems on the basis of dogma. This is a modernity where your Marxist vanguard consists of the trust fund sons of somebody dudebros like ‘fully automated luxury communism’ sarkar or bastani or some tech nerd on twitch. If you hold to the fallacies of historical materialism and the labour theory of value, then NFTs are another nail for your hammer. 

 

 

 

Not really sure what you're saying here tbh 🤔

[Billy Pilgrim]

Just now, kisearch said:

Not really sure what you're saying here tbh 🤔

NFTs are exactly suited to being pitched by Marxist gobshites 

[Kid Icarus]

6 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

NFTs are exactly suited to being pitched by Marxist gobshites 

I'm by no means their fans a lot of the time, but Bastani and Sakar don't see NFTs as some sort of anti-capitalist tool do they? I'd fucking hope they don't like.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by kisearch
Grammar

[Billy Pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, kisearch said:

I'm by no means their fans a lot of the time, but Bastani and Sakar don't see NFTs as some sort of anti-capitalist tool do they? I'd fucking hope they don't like.

 

 

 

I just picked them as an example of the lazy gramsci crowd I don’t actually know what they think about NFTs. The point is the ideological justification for NFTs, both in a metaphysical and economic sense, is easily supportable by the big claims that orthodox Marxists make about the nature of material products and value. So while not every tech Marxist believes NFTs are great it is very easy to see why some have zero problems reconciling the inherently speculative nature of blockchain tech with the promise to fix the alienation of the producer from the produced product. 
 

TLDR; NFTs are mumbo jumbo, yeah you might get rich off them but that doesn’t mean they aren’t wack 

 

 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim

[Kid Icarus]

20 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I just picked them as an example of the lazy gramsci crowd I don’t actually know what they think about NFTs. The point is the ideological justification for NFTs, both in a metaphysical and economic sense, is easily supportable by the big claims that orthodox Marxists make about the nature of material products and value. So while not every tech Marxist believes NFTs are great it is very easy to see why some have zero problems reconciling the inherently speculative nature of blockchain tech with the promise to fix the alienation of the producer from the produced product. 
 

TLDR; NFTs are mumbo jumbo, yeah you might get rich off them but that doesn’t mean they aren’t wack 

 

 

 

 

I get what you're saying. I do think they're two distinct groups of people though. Those that genuinely ascribe to more Marxist views on capitalism and therefore think NFTs are mumbo jumbo for the reasons you've mentioned, then those that are invested in NFTs and are trying to reverse engineer Marxist theory that doesn't exist onto it and give it more social credance, a bit like how the silicon valley crowd all thought they were anti-establishment hippies, kicking it to the man, by becoming the man and the establishment. Admittedly the lines between those two groups probably blur in the middle though.

[Thiago]

Crypto and NFTs have been sold as political protest because it's a great marketing angle. In reality, those banging the drum the loudest utter a lot of the same stuff that people who've made Herbalife or Avon successful. Get in early on this stuff and you may make a canny profit, but your success is built on the failures of others. 

[GeordieDazzler]

 

 

 

I can never get over how truly shit these fucking apes are 

[Sima]

What a wanker.

[wormy]

This is the first time I've ever actually bothered to search up this ape shit. Ended up on this Rolling Stone article and gave up reading after I reached double figures of consecutive paragraphs that just screamed nothing but 'cunts' at me. 

[OpenC]

[OpenC]

Cannot deny I'm a little bit concerned about the marketplace for this absolute fucking guff being called OpenSea

 

 

Edited December 25, 2021 by OpenC

[gbandit]

9 hours ago, wormy said:

This is the first time I've ever actually bothered to search up this ape shit. Ended up on this Rolling Stone article and gave up reading after I reached double figures of consecutive paragraphs that just screamed nothing but 'cunts' at me. 

That was one of the worst articles I’ve ever read. I managed six paragraphs. Couldn’t tell if the writer was an absolute freak or if they were intentionally trying to make the four creators sound like absolute losers. Disappointed that Stephen Curry got involved