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Just now, Milanista said:

Please buy him.

 

Milan would have gotten a fee from any sale of paqueta.   I'm wondering if we've tried to get botman over the line before we go for him .  So Milan doesn't have money in the bank.

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4 minutes ago, Milanista said:

Good point, I forgot that the English press is renown for their restraint, understated headlines, and that English pundits are notorious for their appreciation of foreign players and foreign leagues.

I'm not quite sure what your point is? I'm no fan of the UK press (not just the sports journalists either...) but that doesn't mean what I posted was inaccurate. 

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18 minutes ago, Milanista said:

I never rated Pirlo that highly, I always thought that Albertini was better than him.

 

I think English and Italians have very different views of what their ideal midfielder is. I think English midfielders are really tasked with these box-to-box duties, that Italian midfielders seldom are asked to do.

 

While we are obviously dealing in generalities, I'd say that Italy puts a huge emphasis on the regista, CDM, a Pirlo, Albertini, Ancelotti, Jorginho, those types of players. We love them, but I get the sense they are usually very annoying to English fans. They don't play in an exciting way, they don't do flashy things, but they keep the machine moving. It's like the old guy in the pickup game who wears Copa Mundial Turf boots to play, he just passes the ball around, maintains possession, and sure, his knee is shot, but he'll still do the right thing, lol. Jorginho had a bad season (as did Chelsea) but I think he showed previously why he is so highly regarded by so many coaches, and I'm not even his biggest fan.

 

The thing is, Italian midfielders have seldom been our calling card, I think our intense emphasis on defense contrasted with our love of world class forwards, of all types, from Totti to Inzaghi, from Rivera to Vieri, there are so many different kinds. But our midfielders have not been flashy, but they are crucial to our tactics, they just do unseen things. It's like foundations in a house or electrical, they're expensive, not flashy, but important in houses. What we enjoy in our midfielders I think is very different to what the English enjoy, and I think the Spanish do the sort of fancy stuff that is greatly appreciated by English.

 

Right now, Italy is producing a lot of midfield talent. Our European Cup winning midfield of Verratti-Jorginho-Barella is world-class, and I think the only midfield that bests our is Spain's, but Tonali is probably one of the best young midfielders in the world. We also have Pellegrini, Locatelli, and a bunch of others who are good (but you probably haven't heard of them [Pobega, Frattesi, Esposito, Ricci]) let alone the useful ones like Cristante and Pessina.

 

I think we have more midfield talent than usual, but our crisis in attack is staggering. I think coverage of Italy's woes make it seem like there is a problem top-to-bottom, when really, our only attacking player who could get into England's squad, for example, is Chiesa, and he torn his ACL. Scammacca might be able to, and that's because CF are rare these days. Otherwise, I don't see any of our wingers getting into your team, nor Spain's, nor Germany's, let alone France, lol.

 

Italians are still innovating tactically, and Serie A is very attacking now. I think the issue is that our talent is not in our attack, and to think that Insigne wears our 10 shirt? All of our big clubs don't use Italians in their attack, save Chiesa, and Immobile, who scores for fun for Lazio (in Europe too) but when he wears an Italy shirt, he's... a different person.

 

So I don't think it's about our tactics or the style of football today, I think the only reason we were able to beat England was because of the quality of our midfield and defense. If we had an attack, I think we would have won easily. I also think Southgate hinders England, he has a good generation. I think midfield is probably England's weakest position. Declan Rice is... good? 150m good? Dear God, no. Phillips isn't good enough for England, and the fact Southgate plays with a back 5? I think that's beneath England. It's cowardly.

 

Your attack is class though, and Kane is good, even if he annoys me.

 

I hope you enjoy your time in Italy! I'm sorry for the length!

 

 

Man, I wish someone like you wrote the football columns in one of our national newspapers. I could just download it and read it on a tablet in the morning with a cup of tea. Genuinely fascinating stuff re the difference of football culture, especially about midfield. So many different factors can make a difference though: pitch size, climate, local culture regarding acceptable body contact, etc.

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Just now, Keegans Export said:

I'm not quite sure what your point is? I'm no fan of the UK press (not just the sports journalists either...) but that doesn't mean what I posted was inaccurate. 

The Italian press does not like Milan, they favor Juve and Inter, heavily, so I think you were looking for slights where they did not exist, to be quite frank.

 

4 minutes ago, Gaztoon said:

 

Milan would have gotten a fee from any sale of paqueta.   I'm wondering if we've tried to get botman over the line before we go for him .  So Milan doesn't have money in the bank.

We don't need money from a Paqueta sale to buy players. Milan has money but they plead poverty. For those who dislike Milan (in Italy) they are citing this as a failure and loss, many Milan fans--who did not even rate Botman--are taking this as some sort of win for banter with EPL fans. Milan fans enjoy talking about their club as if they are the cusp of relegation, they think it shows their "objectivity." I find it tiresome, personally.

 

Milan has shown that they do not raise their offer. We will not know about how Maldini saw Botman until he finalizes his renewal, which is what Milan fans are more concerned about.

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3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Man, I wish someone like you wrote the football columns in one of our national newspapers. I could just download it and read it on a tablet in the morning with a cup of tea. Genuinely fascinating stuff re the difference of football culture, especially about midfield. So many different factors can make a difference though: pitch size, climate, local culture regarding acceptable body contact, etc.

I really appreciate that, you are too kind.

 

I am actually thinking of leaving my work in the finance/legal world and getting into football. I played seriously when I was younger, and still play now, and while I thought about going into coaching, I want to get into management.

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45 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

 When you're in champions league, you just won league and you're ac milan you can get plenty of defenders. if you cant somethng is wrong.

Well obviously somethings not reet

 

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Not long back from the races. Heard some drunk lads whilst there singing the them tune  “Na nah, na nah, na nah… Botman!”

 

Explains everything 🙂

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3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Worse thing is I even google’d the spelling and still fucked it up.

 

If it's any consolation I google'd the spelling of pancetta.

 

Dyslexics of the world untie.

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10 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Is there any actual rumour about Paqueta or is it entirely a fan-made one based on the fact he’s friends with Bruno and came to Newcastle once?

 

 

 

 

The Athletic reported that we enquired about him in January, but other than that it's just general fan lusting (me included).

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If we could shift some players out, it could open the door. Even a couple, what now is, fringe players would get £20m+, bolting that onto whatever's left for Paqueta might change things. 

At least I like to console myself so.

 

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Very happy that we seem to have landed our (and Maldini's) primary target.

 

Never seen Botman play but on yt highlights he doesn't seem as one-footed as most lefties. Could he partner Burn from the right-sided position? Why the hell not, Eddie would teach him. Although I'm struggling to think of a single left-footed CB partnership in all my years of watching football..  

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2 minutes ago, junkhead said:

Very happy that we seem to have landed our (and Maldini's) primary target.

 

Never seen Botman play but on yt highlights he doesn't seem as one-footed as most lefties. Could he partner Burn from the right-sided position? Why the hell not, Eddie would teach him. Although I'm struggling to think of a single left-footed CB partnership in all my years of watching football..  

Bramble had 2 left feet if that counts

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3 minutes ago, Slim said:

The🤴 has spoken about it.

 

 

Hope the cunt gets run over by a horse, fucking hell learn to speak properly you gimp. Lille, Leo?

 

 

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