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7 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I think a genuine world class player like VVD at Man Utd wouldn’t look half the player, he’d still perform and would elevate others to a higher level because he’s that good, but ultimately unless there are more like him in the team with his talent, mentality and desire to perform consistently, he would start to make errors and not look so good, that wouldn’t be on him though IMO. 


Yeah, I think VVD would look amazing in any team in the world. Certainly not much of a drop off. He is outrageous at one on one defending, a beast in the air, calm

under pressure and can ping passes about for fun. 
 

It’s probably recency bias and I think I pay more attention to other teams than I did when I was young. As I was always massively biased towards NUFC and often pissed half-watching in the pub. But I think he is the best centre back I’ve seen in the PL. I know Terry and Rio will win more and have the longevity, Vidic was a more out and out defender etc. But I just love watching VVD play. 
 

Sorry to hijack the thread!

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7 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I think a genuine world class player like VVD at Man Utd wouldn’t look half the player, he’d still perform and would elevate others to a higher level because he’s that good, but ultimately unless there are more like him in the team with his talent, mentality and desire to perform consistently, he would start to make errors and not look so good, that wouldn’t be on him though IMO. 


I agree but there’s few teams out there that have talent that can compare to someone like that, he’s going to be making mistakes at a whole bunch of clubs and essentially, well hypothetically, if he’s making regular errors, he’s not the same player all of a sudden, he’s not invincible, he gets slagged off by the pundits and the confidence drops.

 

We can see that with Harry Maguire, who is a beast of a player. He’s let mistakes into his game because he’s playing in a crap underperforming team and over a 2 year period, his stock has dropped significantly because of this.

 

Move him to City or Chelsea and he’s a different player imho.

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5 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:


Yeah, I think VVD would look amazing in any team in the world. Certainly not much of a drop off. He is outrageous at one on one defending, a beast in the air, calm

under pressure and can ping passes about for fun. 
 

It’s probably recency bias and I think I pay more attention to other teams than I did when I was young. As I was always massively biased towards NUFC and often pissed half-watching in the pub. But I think he is the best centre back I’ve seen in the PL. I know Terry and Rio will win more and have the longevity, Vidic was a more out and out defender etc. But I just love watching VVD play. 
 

Sorry to hijack the thread!


Rio is probably the closest in terms of style to a VVD but I’d rather have a Terry or a Vidic.

 

Or actually going back a bit further, none were as good as Jaap Stam or Tony Adams

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2 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:


I agree but there’s few teams out there that have talent that can compare to someone like that, he’s going to be making mistakes at a whole bunch of clubs and essentially, well hypothetically, if he’s making regular errors, he’s not the same player all of a sudden, he’s not invincible, he gets slagged off by the pundits and the confidence drops.

 

We can see that with Harry Maguire, who is a beast of a player. He’s let mistakes into his game because he’s playing in a crap underperforming team and over a 2 year period, his stock has dropped significantly because of this.

 

Move him to City or Chelsea and he’s a different player imho.

Harry Maguire would still be the same player he is and always has been in any team, any less mistakes or dodgy moments would be because others would mask his own weaknesses, not himself. That wouldn’t last long though as he would revert to type or his level/standard. He’s reached his peak which on his day is good, but he is not and never will be a consistently top performing CB like VVD. The two can not be compared in any situation or team or set up. I get your point that some players will perform better in a better team and some good players will not in a shit team, it’s mostly about balance. But using VVD as an example doesn’t stack up for me.

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Just now, Dr Jinx said:


Rio is probably the closest in terms of style to a VVD but I’d rather have a Terry or a Vidic.

 

Or actually going back a bit further, none were as good as Jaap Stam or Tony Adams

Carvalho for me over Terry any day of the week and Rio had it all, but needed another top-class CB alongside him as he had brain fog moments in him. I’d say Woodgate is quite similar to VVD. He transformed our defence and anyone who played next to him when he signed. 

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5 minutes ago, HTT II said:

Carvalho for me over Terry any day of the week and Rio had it all, but needed another top-class CB alongside him as he had brain fog moments in him. I’d say Woodgate is quite similar to VVD. He transformed our defence and anyone who played next to him when he signed. 


Good shout on Carvalho, superb player.

 

Ah if Woodgate wasn’t made of glass.. what could have been. Selling him at the time seemed like such a step backwards but he wouldn’t have played all that much. We just never replaced him

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1 hour ago, HTT II said:

Carvalho for me over Terry any day of the week and Rio had it all, but needed another top-class CB alongside him as he had brain fog moments in him. I’d say Woodgate is quite similar to VVD. He transformed our defence and anyone who played next to him when he signed. 

 

 

Superb player, rapid, strong, read the game well and the absolute master of the dark arts.

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9 hours ago, Chicane said:

"You'll regret this day friend"

 

- Not Thiago

Ha, as I said, if their end goal is 40m they should be fine barring some outrageous fall from grace between now and June. 

 

I think what we're seeing it with almost every deal we're trying to do is clubs sensing a chance to put a tax on things. If this was the summer you might see the same, but less pronounced. Sure, we can pay the 70m twice over and not blink, but thankfully we have a group that don't want tot get mugged off.

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6 hours ago, vicente_14 said:

 

 

Superb player, rapid, strong, read the game well and the absolute master of the dark arts.

My favorite PL CB. Incredible player 

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9 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Runours of a move to Milan are gathering momentum.


What I’m seeing is they will try and sign him in the summer. If we sign other players before then who gives a shit.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:


What I’m seeing is they will try and sign him in the summer. If we sign other players before then who gives a shit.

Yeah, think they've now missed the boat and will regret it, once we get others in 

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I prefer Badiashile. More composed and quicker. Better Technically too. Botman might have more leadership, but i've not seen that much of him really.

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