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2 hours ago, LFEE said:

How come? It’s the existing members that will be asked shortly to show interest in a ST then placed in 3-4 Tiers.

 

Surely of interest to current members?

 

Is that what's actually happening ?

 

And if so, how are they creating the tiers ?

 

And will they do a "try the seat before you buy" offer ?

 

There's some seats I've been in recently where the neighbours are so unbearable that I'd rather chop my own knob off with a blunt rusty spoon than ever spend any time near those people again.

 

 

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I would advise just wait and see what happens rather than speculating on how it's going to work. Bound to wind people up since the stakes are so high. 

 

However you slice it the chances of a ST in the next 5-10 years is absolutely tiny. For most of us it's going to be purely academic. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would advise just wait and see what happens rather than speculating on how it's going to work. Bound to wind people up since the stakes are so high. 

 

However you slice it the chances of a ST in the next 5-10 years is absolutely tiny. For most of us it's going to be purely academic. 

 

 

 

 

 

The entire football side of the forum is fuelled by people being wound up and getting involved in speculation relating to things that are unlikely to happen

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Is that what's actually happening ?

 

And if so, how are they creating the tiers ?

 

And will they do a "try the seat before you buy" offer ?

 

There's some seats I've been in recently where the neighbours are so unbearable that I'd rather chop my own knob off with a blunt rusty spoon than ever spend any time near those people again.

 

 

 

Thats the initial proposal. The feedback was only handed in last night for the FAB to go through and present the meat on the current bones.

 

Doubt it. 43 are the Dundee lot so up to you if you decide to assume they will still be the Leazes east corner. Other 107 from others misused and reclaimed it seemed.

 

So you could have seats dotted all around the ground or they might just offer L7. TBC.

 

5 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I would advise just wait and see what happens rather than speculating on how it's going to work. Bound to wind people up since the stakes are so high. 

 

However you slice it the chances of a ST in the next 5-10 years is absolutely tiny. For most of us it's going to be purely academic. 

 

 

 

 

Sensible approach. However for those wanting to speculate my money would be on longest membership date and how many ballots you’ve put in for since they began and went on to purchase. 

 

The later you feel will leave too many qualifying hence the length will help make the cut and the individual’s position in the queue which I believe will be transparent for all to see.

 

So 150 to go for next season then hopefully anymore reclaims for various reasons might be available year on year.

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6 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Thats the initial proposal. The feedback was only handed in last night for the FAB to go through and present the meat on the current bones.

 

Doubt it. 43 are the Dundee lot so up to you if you decide to assume they will still be the Leazes east corner. Other 107 from others misused and reclaimed it seemed.

 

So you could have seats dotted all around the ground or they might just offer L7. TBC.

 

 

Sensible approach. However for those wanting to speculate my money would be on longest membership date and how many ballots you’ve put in for since they began and went on to purchase. 

 

The later you feel will leave too many qualifying hence the length will help make the cut and the individual’s position in the queue which I believe will be transparent for all to see.

 

So 150 to go for next season then hopefully anymore reclaims for various reasons might be available year on year.


They should go into the hands of young fans. Let them all go to the longest serving members under the age of 25, or however else you can think of to fairly distribute them.

 

Last thing we need is another 150 codgers getting their hands on those tickets. 

 

 

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Just now, bobbydazzla said:


Let them all go to the longest serving members under the age of 25

 

Last we need is another 150 codgers getting their hands on those tickets 

Similar opinions were shared. Felt fairly unanimous amongst the club FAB and those in attendance of finding a way to get younger fans a route into supporting the club more.

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Just now, LFEE said:

Similar opinions were shared. Felt fairly unanimous amongst the club FAB and those in attendance of finding a way to get younger fans a route into supporting the club more.

 

Must be shit trying to watch NUFC as a yoot given the cost involved, the difficulty getting tickets and the inability to sit with pals etc.

 

And for yoots lucky enough to have ST’s they’ve got the problem of away game ticket dominance by older folk who’ve had loyalty points stacked up forever.

 

No way at all for yoots to get on the ladder. 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:


They should go into the hands of young fans. Let them all go to the longest serving members under the age of 25, or however else you can think of to fairly distribute them.

 

Last thing we need is another 150 codgers getting their hands on those tickets. 

 

 

 

 

I turn 25 in 2.5 weeks. :bob:

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5 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Online purchase history is nowhere near comprehensive as well. Pretty sure mine only goes back a few seasons at best.  Can’t remember what happened, either a system change or I just started a new account for some reason. 

Mine is the same. Definitely something from the club's side. I could see tickets i had bought a good few years back last time I checked but that must have been a couple of years ago. I checked today and I couldn't look further back than a couple of years.

 

They must have it on the clubs systems but I doubt it'll go back as far as when the online ticket sales were first introduced. 

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3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Online purchase history is nowhere near comprehensive as well. Pretty sure mine only goes back a few seasons at best.  Can’t remember what happened, either a system change or I just started a new account for some reason. 

 

Also they used to allow ST holders to purchase an extra 'guest' ticket, so I always got my tickets as my da's guest - so they weren't in my name. I only started buying under my name for most/all games in 2023/24.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

Also they used to allow ST holders to purchase an extra 'guest' ticket, so I always got my tickets as my da's guest - so they weren't in my name. I only started buying under my name for most/all games in 2023/24.

 

 

 

Yeah, IMO the data they’ll hold pre-23/24 will have far too many holes in to be a reliable source to use when trying to come up with criteria for something like this. I really don’t envy them, because whatever they come up with, it’s going to upset some people, and they’ll get absolute pelters for it.

 

In fact, I think they’d be better off just putting those 150 tickets back in match-by-match pot, but it seems that’s not what majority of members want, so they’ll have come up with some kind of criteria, regardless of how sketchy.

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7 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Must be shit trying to watch NUFC as a yoot given the cost involved, the difficulty getting tickets and the inability to sit with pals etc.

 

And for yoots lucky enough to have ST’s they’ve got the problem of away game ticket dominance by older folk who’ve had loyalty points stacked up forever.

 

No way at all for yoots to get on the ladder. 

 

 

 

Least there's a ballot now. Unless you were a season ticket holder, you were pretty much locked out from 1992 to 2000. 

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30 minutes ago, SteV said:

Yeah, IMO the data they’ll hold pre-23/24 will have far too many holes in to be a reliable source to use when trying to come up with criteria for something like this. I really don’t envy them, because whatever they come up with, it’s going to upset some people, and they’ll get absolute pelters for it.

 

In fact, I think they’d be better off just putting those 150 tickets back in match-by-match pot, but it seems that’s not what majority of members want, so they’ll have come up with some kind of criteria, regardless of how sketchy.

They've allowed them many people to buy a membership that I think they'll need to go back further than then, otherwise they'll struggle to make separate pots. At the very least they could go back to the takeover season 

 

There's not really going to be a completely fair way to do it. It's going to be harsh on people if they get put in a lower priority because of using ST holders to buy them tickets in the past. A bit like away matches really, most of us have been to loads of away matches but there's no trace of it after we've used other people's tickets. 

 

There has to be some criteria used other than just the last 2 seasons though. Too many people apply for most games. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Leazes1986 said:

They've allowed them many people to buy a membership that I think they'll need to go back further than then, otherwise they'll struggle to make separate pots.

The problem being, as @Superior Acuña points out, you didn’t need a membership, or any kind of NUFC account, to get tickets previously. The older data held won’t necessarily be a reflection of who was actually present at games.

 

And that’s before you consider the further back you go, the more you are disadvantaging younger fans, who obviously couldn’t have that history due to age.

 

As I say, I do not envy them one bit trying to come up with something ‘fair’.

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Just now, SteV said:

The problem being, as @Superior Acuña points out, you didn’t need a membership, or any kind of NUFC account, to get tickets previously. The older data held won’t necessarily be a reflection of who was actually present at games.

 

And that’s before you consider the further back you go, the more you are disadvantaging younger fans, who obviously couldn’t have that history due to age.

 

As I say, I do not envy them one bit trying to come up with something ‘fair’.

As someone who doesn't follow this, are the ballots weighted? As in you get an extra chance if you fail?

 

I think the point everyone should acknowledge is the fact our stadium simply isn't big enough to satisfy the demand and until that's sorted it's just a case of pushing around the problem unfortunately 

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1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

As someone who doesn't follow this, are the ballots weighted? As in you get an extra chance if you fail?

 

I think the point everyone should acknowledge is the fact our stadium simply isn't big enough to satisfy the demand and until that's sorted it's just a case of pushing around the problem unfortunately 

No, as far as everyone is aware, every ballot is completely flat, where everyone has an equal chance, regardless of previous successes, membership-owning length etc etc.

 

Obviously, you’re completely correct in that the only solution that will come remotely close to satisfying the majority is the creation of more seats. However, that’s a long way off, and I think it’s understandable people want to try and debate the ‘best’ solution in the interim, even if it we know it’s always going to be flawed to a degree.

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8 minutes ago, SteV said:

The problem being, as @Superior Acuña points out, you didn’t need a membership, or any kind of NUFC account, to get tickets previously. The older data held won’t necessarily be a reflection of who was actually present at games.

 

And that’s before you consider the further back you go, the more you are disadvantaging younger fans, who obviously couldn’t have that history due to age.

 

As I say, I do not envy them one bit trying to come up with something ‘fair’.

It's like away games really. Lots of us have been to multiple away games with no record of it as it was using someone else's ticket. 

 

They definitely have to come up with a way of making it fair for younger fans. There is probably a way of getting some younger ones in by allowing people on the the waiting list to add have a child added alongside of them, so an adult who meets the criteria for the highest category, can have a child added with them with no criteria required for them.

 

I suppose the teenager one wouldn't quite work with that as they would tent to go with friends.

 

I.cant really think of many ways to make it fair on young kids. 

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10 minutes ago, SteV said:

No, as far as everyone is aware, every ballot is completely flat, where everyone has an equal chance, regardless of previous successes, membership-owning length etc etc.

 

Obviously, you’re completely correct in that the only solution that will come remotely close to satisfying the majority is the creation of more seats. However, that’s a long way off, and I think it’s understandable people want to try and debate the ‘best’ solution in the interim, even if it we know it’s always going to be flawed to a degree.

Oh that's a flaw they should fix asap if that's the case. At least then people don't feel like they are being scammed of the membership fees. 

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The main question here is, is this a waiting list for now or is it a waiting list for the new stadium/extension?

 

The chances are so slim of getting one of the few tickets that might go on sale every season if someone doesn't renew. For me, it's mainly going to be for when there are thousands of more seats available.

 

So, although we're saying you need to make it fair for young kids, by the time the new stadium/extension is here, the young kids of today won't be young kids anymore, and the young kids of 2035 or whenever it might be will then miss out, as they weren't born/weren't interested when the list was created.

 

That one is pretty much impossible to control though. 

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2 minutes ago, Leazes1986 said:

It's like away games really. Lots of us have been to multiple away games with no record of it as it was using someone else's ticket. 

 

They definitely have to come up with a way of making it fair for younger fans. There is probably a way of getting some younger ones in by allowing people on the the waiting list to add have a child added alongside of them, so an adult who meets the criteria for the highest category, can have a child added with them with no criteria required for them.

 

I suppose the teenager one wouldn't quite work with that as they would tent to go with friends.

 

I.cant really think of many ways to make it fair on young kids. 

 

That would then make the loyalty point criteria for each match higher which would be slightly unfair on the people who just miss out.

 

I understand what you're saying though, personally i think they need to stop dishing out as many corporate Tickets for away games. Its 600/700 for some games. Maybe take 100 or so out of that for kids to go.

 

We know that won't happen though.

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