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16 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

 

Aye, not just through death. My da's mate has got well over a 100 points and all but a handful were mine, came with the ST when I passed it on.

I sense the tiniest hint of resentment in than post 🤣

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1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

 

:anguish:

 

Any thoughts on those who were 700 or 800 in the member general sale queue only to see there were no tickets left, or are you just here to be dismissive and condescending towards members again? 

 

One of the things that does annoy me is when I’m accused of being against members when I’m actually the opposite and support them having more power than they do for want of a better word and less power for ST holders like myself. I can’t recall ever being dismissive or condescending towards any members and If you knew me a little bit better you’d realise what lengths I go to help them. For example I currently have @Ameritoon staying in my house whilst he visits and I’ve helped him secure tickets for the games he’s here for as I’ve done countless times for other visitors from far and wide. I see them no different to us. Fans. Not tourists.

 

My thoughts I believe I have already shared but for your benefit they are that anyone being a ST/Member/TV/From Afar supporter thinking there would not be a massive reduction in availability for this fixture is extremely naive as we play catch up to the Cartel.

The fact you made your point based on the very game I mentioned and for the reasons I mentioned highlights I was correct in my response with what had kicked off the debate this week which was the question posed to myself from Ian on how this discussion had started this week. Not historically.

 

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Do you have a guess about what happens to these high demand games then @LFEE? Does everyone in the queue just buy 6-8 tickets each? 
 

Obviously these games always ignite the debate again because people who have secured tickets to every other game of the season seemingly have no chance. It’s bound to raise questions about the availability. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nucasol said:

Is Luke a season ticket holding snob?

Quite the opposite. Stood up at the recent ST waiting list meeting at the club and give them an insight if they didn’t already know it to the trials and tribulations of what members have to go through on not just a weekly basis but daily and at times hourly.

 

I even suggested they split the 50 new ST’s into 400 as that would spread the reach and opportunity as Part ST holders with the allowance of still being able to ballot for the other games but importantly 400 potential new away fans. Which with home and away transfers currently in place takes the reach further. 400 seeds instead of just 50 seeds if you get my drift. 400 quite happy people as opposed to 50 very happy if you want to look at it as I do.

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4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

The fact you made your point based on the very game I mentioned and for the reasons I mentioned highlights I was correct in my response with what had kicked off the debate this week which was the question posed to myself from Ian on how this discussion had started this week. Not historically.

The Sunderland game is the crystallisation of months of the club saying all the right things but doing fuck all in reality other than grab as much cash from its customers, sorry loyal and valuable supporters, as it can. 
 

As members we accept demand has rocketed but know the basic parameters in which it works. It felt like for the mackems game the club unilaterally moved the goalposts again without communicating it.
 

Coupled with no news on expansion and no, or at best barely token, willingness to tackle touts only when it makes national news, there’s a good right for the fans to question forking out an extra £47 in an economic downturn for in some cases no ballot wins in a near 30 game home season.
 

More seasons of it getting worse and more will prioritise other things with their money plus feeling disenfranchised. Hopefully the club feels  their £720 Gaucho offering represents a better return than longstanding fans.

 

Fuck the ghost of Peter Silverstone.

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8 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Quite the opposite. Stood up at the recent ST waiting list meeting at the club and give them an insight if they didn’t already know it to the trials and tribulations of what members have to go through on not just a weekly basis but daily and at times hourly.

 

I even suggested they split the 50 new ST’s into 400 as that would spread the reach and opportunity as Part ST holders with the allowance of still being able to ballot for the other games but importantly 400 potential new away fans. Which with home and away transfers currently in place takes the reach further. 400 seeds instead of just 50 seeds if you get my drift. 400 quite happy people as opposed to 50 very happy if you want to look at it as I do.

This is precisely what the club moneymen are wanting as an outcome - ST holders are seen the worst thing for their matchday revenues.  Happily for them , supporter groups are enabling precisely this.

 

 

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18 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Do you have a guess about what happens to these high demand games then @LFEE? Does everyone in the queue just buy 6-8 tickets each? 

 

I don’t even have to guess. I was told. By who is not for here. 

 

Let’s ALL have an honest conversation with ourselves here. What happens when a club negotiate sponsor A,B,C-Z. What do these sponsors ultimately demand at times other than exposure? What can these sponsors obtain from the club for paying X amount over than they probably need to? How do clubs build relationships with all these sponsors? What are club trying to achieve? Higher revenues so they can compete. What is the clubs currency? It really isn’t that deep.

 

My heart goes out to members as it always has and I’ll always try to help the ones I know and meet experience SJP as much as possible.

 

I just hope those who ironically have voiced strong opinions about not wanting a new ground who’ve had an odd pop at me think again.

 

Anyway… It’s a great debate nothing more. Try not to get personal in your responses.

 

 

 

 

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I’ve emailed the girl from the supporters liaison twice to ask about numbers and she/they’ve not responded despite replying to my original email within a couple of hours. 
 

chase them up again this afternoon. 

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9 minutes ago, Nucasol said:

The Sunderland game is the crystallisation of months of the club saying all the right things but doing fuck all in reality other than grab as much cash from its customers, sorry loyal and valuable supporters, as it can. 
 

As members we accept demand has rocketed but know the basic parameters in which it works. It felt like for the mackems game the club unilaterally moved the goalposts again without communicating it.
 

Coupled with no news on expansion and no, or at best barely token, willingness to tackle touts only when it makes national news, there’s a good right for the fans to question forking out an extra £47 in an economic downturn for in some cases no ballot wins in a near 30 game home season.
 

More seasons of it getting worse and more will prioritise other things with their money plus feeling disenfranchised. Hopefully the club feels  their £720 Gaucho offering represents a better return than longstanding fans.

 

Fuck the ghost of Peter Silverstone.

 

All the points you make are valid. Unfortunately for us when our “rich” owners rocked up this perverse concept that is PSR became a thing.

 

It gets us thinking in terms of revenues and attaches an over importance and necessity to them in reality for some owners.

 

I used to joke they should have a digital counter at The Stack so it could reveal by the minute of money spent going towards the clubs PSR. Wouldn’t surprise me now if it became a thing. Pints for PSR! :lol:

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8 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

I’ve emailed the girl from the supporters liaison twice to ask about numbers and she/they’ve not responded despite replying to my original email within a couple of hours. 
 

chase them up again this afternoon. 

 

I've had a 2nd response.

 

Demand was high, a low queue position doesn't guarantee a ticket, we can't reveal specifics about how tickets were distributed, understand your disappointment etc.

 

Saying something without saying anything.Yadda yadda yadda.

 

If NUFC gave several thousand tickets to sponsors rather than members, so there was a massively reduced allocation for the general sales, then just be fucking honest about it. Stop treating us like mugs.

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

This is precisely what the club moneymen are wanting as an outcome - ST holders are seen the worst thing for their matchday revenues.  Happily for them , supporter groups are enabling precisely this.

 

 

 

But what would you want for your 400 friends given that choice?

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2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

I've had a 2nd response.

 

Demand was high, a low queue position doesn't guarantee a ticket, we can't reveal specifics about how tickets were distributed, understand your disappointment etc.

 

Saying something without saying anything.Yadda yadda yadda.

 

If NUFC gave several thousand tickets to sponsors rather than members, so there was a massively reduced allocation for the general sales, then just be fucking honest about it. Stop treating us like mugs.

 

 

 

 

 

As always it's the secrecy and lack of transparency that's the issue. Why hide things if you're being honest and up front?

 

If they'd announced prior to the Sunderland sales that for security reasons they were going to allocate a far higher % tickets to the ballot and only a small % to general members sale people would have accepted that I think. There's no reason to suggest that's what they've done here though, they certainly didn't communicate that, so we can onky assume that the ballot/general sale ratio was the standard one which means a queue number <1000 would guarantee a ticket.

 

It didn't this time and it's a fair question to ask why that was.

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8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

I've had a 2nd response.

 

Demand was high, a low queue position doesn't guarantee a ticket, we can't reveal specifics about how tickets were distributed, understand your disappointment etc.

 

Saying something without saying anything.Yadda yadda yadda.

 

If NUFC gave several thousand tickets to sponsors rather than members, so there was a massively reduced allocation for the general sales, then just be fucking honest about it. Stop treating us like mugs.

 

 

 

 

 

I guess it depends how many are allowed on the website via the queue system at the time of tickets going on sale.

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8 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

If NUFC gave several thousand tickets to sponsors rather than members, so there was a massively reduced allocation for the general sales, then just be fucking honest about it. Stop treating us like mugs.

 

 

I have emailed again asking for full transparency.

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It's almost essential at this point to tell members if they essentially have no chance of attending the most high demand games. Even the chances of success in the ballot generally are incredibly low. I don't know if most members appreciate they might only win 0-3 ballots a year. 

 

Selling unlimited memberships without a bit of detail like this is getting into questionable territory at least. 

 

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6 minutes ago, El Prontonise said:

 

I guess it depends how many are allowed on the website via the queue system at the time of tickets going on sale.

 

Well given that people with queue positions of 400ish arrived on the site to see the ground sold out I think it's safe to say one of two things happened:

 

a) hardly any tickets were put on sale. 1000ish would be a sensible estimate.

b) the allocation was as per usual, but the first 400 people bought several thousand tickets.

 

 

 

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It's because they're giving them to corporate obviously. 

 

When it comes to ticketing, the club only give a fuck about revenue. They don't care about value for money, they don't care about atmosphere and they certainly don't care about who has been a supporter for how long. 

 

If they could give the lot to Corporate without bad PR they'd do exactly that. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

It's because they're giving them to corporate obviously. 

 

When it comes to ticketing, the club only give a fuck about revenue. They don't care about value for money, they don't care about atmosphere and they certainly don't care about who has been a supporter for how long. 

 

If they could give the lot to Corporate without bad PR they'd do exactly that. 

 

 

 

We know this has happened for a fact. Areas of the Leazes End that haven't been corporate all season have been changed from GA areas to corporate for this game. The amount of seats is unknown.

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21 minutes ago, LFEE said:

But what would you want for your 400 friends given that choice?

I’d rather they weren’t being ripped off to enjoy what should be their birthright.  In the modern game, that’s too much to ask - so better to charge 400 people a premium.  It should be duly noted that the club are happily demanding that the support pay inflated prices in line with ‘elite’ clubs while taking their sweet time about hoying the wedge at necessary investments. 

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The club are entirely focused on growing income. I think this is understandable and why available  tickets are used for high revenue customers. If we want to compete with the top 6 at some point then I think we just have to suck this up. And I say this as a Member who didn’t get a ticket for the Mackem’s game and has come up with 1 successful ballot per season over the last 4 years.

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4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’d rather they weren’t being ripped off to enjoy what should be their birthright.  In the modern game, that’s too much to ask - so better to charge 400 people a premium.  It should be duly noted that the club are happily demanding that the support pay inflated prices in line with ‘elite’ clubs while taking their sweet time about hoying the wedge at necessary investments. 

But… to my question. What would your choice be? 

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