UK Politics: Generation Chaos

[midds]

The HoL is like the room of requirements in Harry Potter  

 

Recognises that evil is afoot and provides a place to actively stop it. 

[Klaus]

This is a clear example of why we NEED a second chamber

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Or a constitutional framework for the judicial protection of human rights and unelected Judges. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

As horrific as the HoL is, it does highlight how shocking our political process is. The HoL seems to be more often than not on the side of public opinion curbing the excesses of the leading party, despite them being elected by them and the opposition parties. Yet they are remarkably more able to find common, sensible ground.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

They illustrate just how toxic pluralist democracy has become in a largely unfettered capitalist society. There is less coroporate interest in the Lords, less press manipulation and pandering. 

[Sima]

Can’t wait for the RW press to try to tear down the HoL.

 

”TRAITORS!”

[madras]

But the HoL can only really delay a bill. Its easier to stand up for principles under those circumstances. I wonder how many of those from the Government side would reject legislation if it were knocked back permanently and that goes for when Labour are in power as well.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by madras

[hakka]

11 hours ago, Klaus said:

This is a clear example of why we NEED a second chamber

 

Definitely. As someone else has mentioned, they've often blocked and been a voice of reason when needed. I don't like the nature of it of how and what ends up there, but it seems more impartial and less partisan when it comes to decision making... which is odd given how many has been strategically thrown in.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

10 hours ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

They illustrate just how toxic pluralist democracy has become in a largely unfettered capitalist society. There is less coroporate interest in the Lords, less press manipulation and pandering. 

They’ve also reached an untouchable position in life, a bit like high court judges. They don’t have to do things to further their political careers or listen to the whips etc. 

[Dokko]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

They’ve also reached an untouchable position in life, a bit like high court judges. They don’t have to do things to further their political careers or listen to the whips etc. 

 

Yet the tories are doing their best to flood the Lords with their own cronies and crooks. 

 

They are a lesser evil, but still evil. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Very true. I do think you could appoint a Lord and still find that they grow a brain and a spine once they’re in. Not having to answer to anyone is very liberating. 
 

Not that I want them in there of course. 

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, hakka said:

 

Definitely. As someone else has mentioned, they've often blocked and been a voice of reason when needed. I don't like the nature of it of how and what ends up there, but it seems more impartial and less partisan when it comes to decision making... which is odd given how many has been strategically thrown in.

 

Absolutely. That's why the Conservatives have their utmost to stuff it full of former party members and doners. A second chamber is essential, but I'm all for trimming it down and reforming it. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I would be up for a chamber of experts and citizens. Kind of a citizens assembly but with some academics and experienced people to give their input. 
 

Could transition by allowing some Lords to stay on for a period of time and help to get it going.