NUFC Transfer Rumours

[Kimbo]

Palestra is a complete non-story unless Livramento is leaving, and it’s all gone quiet on that front.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

We havent seen this reported elsewhere though have we? I mean on these shores? 

Reported by Newcastle World a few days ago 

[Funtime Frankie]

Just now, Kimbo said:

Palestra is a complete non-story unless Livramento is leaving, and it’s all gone quiet on that front.

I think he is a non story full stop due to no European football and this maybe a common issue through the whole window.

 

He would be an attacking upgrade on Livra tho and will become one of the best RB in the world.

 

Doué looks like an option we should go for as well as Mingueza on a free.

[TheBrownBottle]

2 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said:

I think he is a non story full stop due to no European football and this maybe a common issue through the whole window.

 

He would be an attacking upgrade on Livra tho and will become one of the best RB in the world.

 

Doué looks like an option we should go for as well as Mingueza on a free.

I doubt that a Europa / Conference League qualification would make a blind bit of difference.  Our being in the CL didn’t seem to make much of a difference last summer.  If a player views themselves as ready for a move to an elite club, they’re not likely to be joining. 

[Mikky]

2 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

Linked with Union Saint-Gilloise’s winger Anan Khalaili in the weekly athletic deal sheet.

No thanks 

[Kanj]

The whole CL football being a key factor in transfers is the biggest lie in football. It’s all about wages first and last. 

[Funtime Frankie]

26 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I doubt that a Europa / Conference League qualification would make a blind bit of difference.  Our being in the CL didn’t seem to make much of a difference last summer.  If a player views themselves as ready for a move to an elite club, they’re not likely to be joining. 

I think last summer and the elite clubs was down to one thing and it was wages.

 

Players know our wage structure and know at Chelsea and Manchester United they are easily able to get 50% higher.

 

The only exception to this was Sesko but he knows two good seasons and he will be on a wage higher than our top earner.

 

 

[John P]

1 minute ago, Kanj said:

The whole CL football being a key factor in transfers is the biggest lie in football. It’s all about wages first and last. 

Didn't the club ask Thiaw in his first interview how much of a factor CL football was and his answer was basically that he wasn't that bothered?

[The Larch]

16 minutes ago, Kanj said:

The whole CL football being a key factor in transfers is the biggest lie in football. It’s all about wages first and last. 

The only other thing is that champions league is more of a shop window for players looking to use the club as a stepping stone (such as Gordon).

 

Also, any player wanting to win the ballon d'or is going to want to be in the champions league.

 

But I agree for the vast majority of players - they will just go to who pays them the most.

[TheBrownBottle]

17 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said:

I think last summer and the elite clubs was down to one thing and it was wages.

 

Players know our wage structure and know at Chelsea and Manchester United they are easily able to get 50% higher.

 

The only exception to this was Sesko but he knows two good seasons and he will be on a wage higher than our top earner.

 

 

I think there’s more to it than that tbh - I think there is an appeal to the bigger clubs generally (given the choice between Man Utd and Newcastle, the vast, vast majority of footballers would pick Man Utd unless we were blowing them out of the water on wages), and also simply playing in the biggest competition isn’t enough for top players - they want to actually win it

[TRon]

56 minutes ago, Funtime Frankie said:

I think last summer and the elite clubs was down to one thing and it was wages.

 

Players know our wage structure and know at Chelsea and Manchester United they are easily able to get 50% higher.

 

The only exception to this was Sesko but he knows two good seasons and he will be on a wage higher than our top earner.

 

 

 

 

Which is why it's the right strategy to stop trying to compete with those clubs and try and get the younger unproven talents instead. 

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Which is why it's the right strategy to stop trying to compete with those clubs and try and get the younger unproven talents instead. 

Nit picking here but they don’t have to be unproven - we just need to move early.  The likes of Isak, Bruno and Tonali weren’t unproven but we moved early. 
 

Theres loads of players like that available every season. 

[TRon]

27 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Nit picking here but they don’t have to be unproven - we just need to move early.  The likes of Isak, Bruno and Tonali weren’t unproven but we moved early. 
 

Theres loads of players like that available every season. 

 

 

It does feel like since the success of those signings we are getting klaxon alerts going off at cartel clubs whenever we make a move now though. Maybe a bit harder to move early as a result. 

[duo]

2 hours ago, John P said:

Guess we're not one of the teams paying him so he doesn't give us the preferential treatment

Nailed it

[MagPar]

Not much transfer action so 

Happy Birthday Michael J Fox

[macphisto]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

It does feel like since the success of those signings we are getting klaxon alerts going off at cartel clubs whenever we make a move now though. Maybe a bit harder to move early as a result. 

That's just based on one transfer window. One where we had no senior management in place. We can't go off one transfer window in terms of trends.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

It does feel like since the success of those signings we are getting klaxon alerts going off at cartel clubs whenever we make a move now though. Maybe a bit harder to move early as a result. 

It’s really just Chelsea and maybe Spurs. 
 

We were 12 months early on Guehi but didn’t want to meet the valuation. We were 12 months late on Mbeumo, the time to move was the season earlier.  
 

[The College Dropout]

There’s a lot of talented players out there. Do we trust our scouting, data analytics, profile fit and personality checks?

 

Top clubs are very risk averse.  
 

Cherki was sat at Lyon for ages. He played 3 full seasons and was widely regarded as a wonderkid. 

[Superbmac]

Our scouting has to be a top priority if we’re hampered with what we can spend.

[TRon]

51 minutes ago, macphisto said:

That's just based on one transfer window. One where we had no senior management in place. We can't go off one transfer window in terms of trends.

 

 

Yep, I would definitely expect improvement this time round on that score. 

[Kanj]

3 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

It’s really just Chelsea and maybe Spurs. 
 

We were 12 months early on Guehi but didn’t want to meet the valuation. We were 12 months late on Mbeumo, the time to move was the season earlier.  
 

 

We should have signed Joao Pedro the same season we signed Isak and there are countless examples of our inaction (via whatever PSR or internal struggles of power) that hindered the policy. The issue is once we opened up the flood gates we failed dramatically on Wissa and Elanga. Just imagine a world where Rayan came in as our RW and Panichelli as a potential future CF as gambled wonderkid signings and we then signed DCL on a free as the experienced CF with PL experience and not spent money on Woltemade. We'd have spent a fraction of the money. Perhaps we also go after Akliouche who was already in the mix for what could be a big move this last summer, but it's this summer. 

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

We should have signed Joao Pedro the same season we signed Isak and there are countless examples of our inaction (via whatever PSR or internal struggles of power) that hindered the policy. The issue is once we opened up the flood gates we failed dramatically on Wissa and Elanga. Just imagine a world where Rayan came in as our RW and Panichelli as a potential future CF as gambled wonderkid signings and we then signed DCL on a free as the experienced CF with PL experience and not spent money on Woltemade. We'd have spent a fraction of the money. Perhaps we also go after Akliouche who was already in the mix for what could be a big move this last summer, but it's this summer. 

 

The problem is we had no money left for Pedro (unless we bought him instead of Gordon that January). But it's a great example -- maybe the single best example given the details we know -- of how PSR has constrained us. So many things would have been different if we could have also added a £30m kid from Watford; not exactly mortgaging the club or buying the league.

[Kanj]

3 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

The problem is we had no money left for Pedro (unless we bought him instead of Gordon that January). But it's a great example -- maybe the single best example given the details we know -- of how PSR has constrained us. So many things would have been different if we could have also added a £30m kid from Watford; not exactly mortgaging the club or buying the league.

 

We always have money, we didn't have PSR head room. Which is only our issue when you think we historically had no sellable assets. The first time that became untrue was likely the summer after our first CL campaign. Joelinton, Gordon, Isak, etc.  

 

Guehi is the perfect example; player absolutely keen on coming up and we haggled over 5-10m and never got him. Trafford another, we haggled over some nominal fee when City had no desire to sign him as they had Ederson and that other fella and we still didn't get it done as Mitchell was playing hard balll, angry over inheriting Vlach and pissed off Trafford's parent club. We should have signed Ekitke the first season he completed at Frankfurt when he was on bloody nobody's radar, and instead we did nothing and sold nobody to keep the churn. 

[TheInfiniteOdyssey]

55 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

There’s a lot of talented players out there. Do we trust our scouting, data analytics, profile fit and personality checks?

 

Top clubs are very risk averse.  
 

Cherki was sat at Lyon for ages. He played 3 full seasons and was widely regarded as a wonderkid. 

I really rate Nickson’s scouting, personally don’t think we’ve really leveraged his ability enough in recent years in taking informed punts on unearthed talent. 

[timeEd32]

3 minutes ago, Kanj said:

 

We always have money, we didn't have PSR head room. Which is only our issue when you think we historically had no sellable assets. The first time that became untrue was likely the summer after our first CL campaign. Joelinton, Gordon, Isak, etc.  

 

Guehi is the perfect example; player absolutely keen on coming up and we haggled over 5-10m and never got him. Trafford another, we haggled over some nominal fee when City had no desire to sign him as they had Ederson and that other fella and we still didn't get it done as Mitchell was playing hard balll, angry over inheriting Vlach and pissed off Trafford's parent club. We should have signed Ekitke the first season he completed at Frankfurt when he was on bloody nobody's radar, and instead we did nothing and sold nobody to keep the churn. 

 

When I say no money I mean PSR headroom. By some accounts Ashworth's plan was to sell Joelinton (and/or there was a strong feeling that a big bid would come in for Bruno that June). Either way, everything since then goes back to the amount we spent in summer 2023 combined with a lack of a plan to balance the books. That was the fork in the road moment, more so than last summer IMO. The saving grace in all of it is we won a trophy and qualified for the CL, but you can trace every single thing since back to then -- Anderson, Gordon's head turning, Staveley out, Mitchell in, Guehi, Isak, 18 months of no incomings, etc. That's why the blame game for me starts with Eales and PIF, not the manager.