Lewis Hall

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I don't fully agree, Tino is a better 1-v-1 defender but Hall is more intelligent and reads the game better. He's also more able to relieve pressure by running with the ball or playing out of tight situations. And Hall is obviously infinitely better going forward. 

 

Anyway, even if what you say is right the overall team is still best served with Hall LB and Tino RB. With the squad as it is now obviously. 

 

And I also think TIno is much more likely to leave than Hall. 

 

Here is one for you… (and I don’t know them so not a trick question!)

 

NUFC defensive record with Trips RB and Tino LB Vs Hall in the team?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

 

Here is one for you… (and I don’t know them so not a trick question!)

 

NUFC defensive record with Trips RB and Tino LB Vs Hall in the team?

 

I don't know them either, my memory for that kind of thing is terrible, but I don't tend to go in for evidence like that. Could be so many factors playing out, to do with a lot more than who is the right choice in any position. 

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

 

I don't know them either, my memory for that kind of thing is terrible, but I don't tend to go in for evidence like that. Could be so many factors playing out, to do with a lot more than who is the right choice in any position. 

That’s fair enough but my gut feeling is we perform better result wise (different to performance wise) when Hall is out the team.

 

Not saying that will be the case going forward. However I do see what I feel Howe see’s and what many of you seem not to due to the occasional lovely drop of the shoulder or exquisite pirouette etc. 

[STM]

I absolutely love Hall as a footballer but football is more than just what you do between their goal and ours.

 

For an attacking left back he barely gets involved in goals or assists and as a defensive left back, hes bang average.

 

That said, I suspect at some point it will click and he has the potential to be thr best fullback in the league if it does.

 

He cant blame Tuchel or Howe for anything. Take more responsibility for his own defending and increase his output in attacking areas. He has to do at least one of those.

 

He was rightly dropped BTW, Burn is a much better defender and is much more defensively responsible. Hes just not a left back. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Hardly anybody in our team got involved in goals or assists last season TBF. 

 

I just think of Hall as clearly the leading first choice. Being rotated out occasionally in a nightmare season doesn't mean anything IMO. We've blown this debate out of all proportion. 

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by AyeDubbleYoo

[STM]

1 minute ago, LFEE said:

That’s fair enough but my gut feeling is we perform better result wise (different to performance wise) when Hall is out the team.

 

Not saying that will be the case going forward. However I do see what I feel Howe see’s and what many of you seem not to due to the occasional lovely drop of the shoulder or exquisite pirouette etc. 

 

You are spot on in your assessment. 

 

[LFEE]

5 minutes ago, STM said:

I absolutely love Hall as a footballer but football is more than just what you do between their goal and ours.

 

For an attacking left back he barely gets involved in goals or assists and as a defensive left back, hes bang average.

 

That said, I suspect at some point it will click and he has the potential to be thr best fullback in the league if it does.

 

He cant blame Tuchel or Howe for anything. Take more responsibility for his own defending and increase his output in attacking areas. He has to do at least one of those.

 

He was rightly dropped BTW, Burn is a much better defender and is much more defensively responsible. Hes just not a left back. 

This basically.

[STM]

3 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Hardly anybody in our team got involved in goals or assists last season TBF. 

 

I just think of Hall as clearly the leading first choice. Being rotated out occasionally in a nightmare season doesn't mean anything IMO. We've blown this debate out of all proportion. 

 

 

 

 

Im not sure anyone is blowing it out of proportion.

 

Its a fair discussion and you imply a good point, in a better side would Hall look better? Almost certainly.

 

Because we dont control games, we become a transitional team and Hall suffers. In the same scenario, Tino doesnt suffer (despite lack of form) because hes got a great engine.

 

Its also a fair point to say that Hall was chronically let down by our left hand side this season. Barnes is a poacher playing LW and Gordon was a try hard for himself. A more rounded winger who does a bit of everything will help.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

We have one of the best young LBs in Europe. If we can't play him and make him effective something is really wrong. We should just be enjoying having such a class player. 

[STM]

1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We have one of the best young LBs in Europe. If we can't play him and make him effective something is really wrong. We should just be enjoying having such a class player. 

 

*potentially.

 

To be one of the best left backs in europe he needs to defend more diligently and make good decisions in the final 3rd.

 

His destiny is up to him, the "we" bit has nothing to do with it. 

 

BTW, if he has taken the huff, it might speak to a bigger problem within Hall himself.

[LFEE]

Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said:

We have one of the best young LBs in Europe. If we can't play him and make him effective something is really wrong. We should just be enjoying having such a class player. 

He potentially is. If his defending is average and at times lacking in recovery pace and stamina then you’ve got to take this into account into your player assessment. Same as I have always done with Bruno, Isak, Tonali and even Murphy…

 

If you just want to watch a lovely footballer on the ball then fair enough no argument. If you want to see the best for your team and results improve and less goals conceded then there is a debate to be had currently.

[The Larch]

19 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 

Here is one for you… (and I don’t know them so not a trick question!)

 

NUFC defensive record with Trips RB and Tino LB Vs Hall in the team?

I dont know, but i seem to remember tino playing left back last season a lot, whereas hall played left back this season a lot.

 

Last season we were good overall and played high energy footy on the front foot and the midfield were class. Good season. 

 

This season we played on the back foot and were pap. We tried and failed to ease the ball into the perfect position rather than just give it to isak to sort out. The midfield offered very little defenseless too. Bad season.

 

I don't think that's much down to Hall because if you had tino in as left back this season instead of hall, I think you'd end up in the same spot.

[Shearergol]

Lots of short term memories going on here I reckon. Hall was probably our best defender for 70% of the season.

[STM]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

Lots of short term memories going on here I reckon. Hall was probably our best defender for 70% of the season.

 

And I dont disagree with this BTW. He was our player of the season for the first half.

 

Hes also not the only one who looks ropey in defensive when the team isn't performing, Thiaw and Botman both had moments.

 

I would say that I think Halls performances dropped off a cliff towards the back end of the season. Perhaps he was jaded.

[Ikon]

He was ran into the ground playing way too much imo.

[LFEE]

6 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Lots of short term memories going on here I reckon. Hall was probably our best defender for 70% of the season.

Defender or player? I’d argue player.

[Shearergol]

33 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 

Here is one for you… (and I don’t know them so not a trick question!)

 

NUFC defensive record with Trips RB and Tino LB Vs Hall in the team?

 

This is the same argument you refuse to accept when people say we won more games with Nick up front though

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Shearergol said:

 

This is the same argument you refuse to accept when people say we won more games with Nick up front though

Yet we played better when he didn’t. Just shows what a strange game football is and how tricky striking the right balance is.

[Shearergol]

5 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Yet we played better when he didn’t. Just shows what a strange game football is and how tricky striking the right balance is.

 

So basically both arguments are void, unless you factor in loads of other things. Got it.

[LFEE]

Just now, Shearergol said:

 

So basically both arguments are void, unless you factor in loads of other things. Got it.

Ultimately yes  Think Bruno and Joelinton missing was the mitigating factor results wise. Opponent strength. Chance conversion.  Fixture congestion. Teammates performance etc etc. 

 

Thats why I ignore most stats TBH and watching a game live as opposed to on TV gives a truer reflection of what’s going on but that can be a debate for another day.

 

So with that in mind I think we’d be better with a different style forward than Nick when chances are minimal which they were last season and Hall is a lovely footballer but nothing special defensively when called upon which he was last season especially in the final 15mins.

 

Fresh start for everyone 26/27 🤞🏻 It’s only been one average season out of four and an half outstanding ones. 

[Mole]

25 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Lots of short term memories going on here I reckon. Hall was probably our best defender for 70% of the season.

Also the argument about him as a defender paints the picture he was at fault for loads of goals being conceded which is patently untrue.

 

I also disagree with the argument that his main job is to defend, if this was 20 years ago sure. But football today is not played like that, his ability to relieve pressure and get the team moving up the pitch is every bit as important.

 

It's not his fault he and Bruno are the only ones capable of doing this and lastly I'll say this if you sell players like Lewis Hall you're on a fast track to mid table mediocrity for a long time.

 

Having "solid defenders who defend" sounds nice on paper but top level football teams need way more than that.

[STM]

26 minutes ago, Mole said:

Also the argument about him as a defender paints the picture he was at fault for loads of goals being conceded which is patently untrue.

 

I also disagree with the argument that his main job is to defend, if this was 20 years ago sure. But football today is not played like that, his ability to relieve pressure and get the team moving up the pitch is every bit as important.

 

It's not his fault he and Bruno are the only ones capable of doing this and lastly I'll say this if you sell players like Lewis Hall you're on a fast track to mid table mediocrity for a long time.

 

Having "solid defenders who defend" sounds nice on paper but top level football teams need way more than that.

 

Both Man City and Arsenal both play with CBs at fullback. 

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

1 hour ago, The Larch said:

I dont know, but i seem to remember tino playing left back last season a lot, whereas hall played left back this season a lot.

 

Last season we were good overall and played high energy footy on the front foot and the midfield were class. Good season. 

 

This season we played on the back foot and were pap. We tried and failed to ease the ball into the perfect position rather than just give it to isak to sort out. The midfield offered very little defenseless too. Bad season.

 

I don't think that's much down to Hall because if you had tino in as left back this season instead of hall, I think you'd end up in the same spot.

Last season (24/25) Hall played at left back and was one of our top performers, until getting injured just before the Cup Final when Livramento moved over. He's not been stellar at times this season just gone, but I’d argue there are probably two or three of the back five that have been significantly worse than him and who's individual errors have led to more goals conceded than Hall

[Paully]

£50 million is laughable 

[TRon]

47 minutes ago, STM said:

 

Both Man City and Arsenal both play with CBs at fullback. 

 

 

Nico O'Reilly is a hell of a footballer if he's actually a CB.