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Thanks mate.

 

In the short term we need not fear the hedge trimmer. bluecool.gif

 

but I'm still concerned about such a privet investor

 

Really macbeth, I am disappointed you declined to answer my earlier points. It just goes to show that in the real world, things don't always go the way you hope.

 

Anyway, lets hope that it turns out to be a good move for the club, whatever happens in the end eh ?

 

We don't want the "anyone but Shepherd" people to be proven wrong, as we all suffer if that happens. PS..maybe they won't trim down too much ...

 

 

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TV money seems to be the golden carrot for most but I can see the explosion in TV money decreasing in years to come. Again there isn't much more they can squeeze out of TV companies which in turn have to recoup their money back from subscription and advertising. If the country came into a recession or interest rates went up, people would cancel Broadband and Sky TV and revert to Free View (many already are) or something and that will impact the game hugely in a negative way.

 

the pressure on the premiership to let go of it's collective bargaining is increasing(some even think the last round would be the last of its kind)it seems like this could .rightly or wrongly, happen.where would you place us in a league table of this ilk,i'd reckon manu,arsenal,chelsea,liverpool would net bigger deals,tottenham would be similar to ourselves.the tv revenue will increase,sky etc without football is dead,as the premiership without the tv money is dead,mutually supporting.the problem could be if a challenger comes in and like the nationwide cant pay its agreements.

 

some thought the glazers wouldnt make man u pay,for all their profits the debt created was massive,however with individual media rights they will clean up,perhaps polygon think the same.

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I found this while doing some research on UBS. Its a few years old now but still very interesting.

 

"Alan Shearer signs with the Sports and Entertainment Group of UBS

UBS announces today that it has the support of former England football captain and Newcastle United star, Alan Shearer, strengthening its commitment to building a globally strong Sports and Entertainment Group. UBS aims to utilise Alan Shearer's experience to help the Sports and Entertainment Group raise UBS' profile amongst other professional sportsmen.

 

These clients' strongest earning power often falls over a limited period of time. With a detailed understanding of their requirements both in the short-term and the long-term, UBS can build a package of financial solutions that best suit its clients' needs. "We want our clients to make the most of their talent while we work carefully and quietly in the wings to ensure that the income generated by their success is converted into lasting wealth," states Neil Grainger, head of the Sports and Entertainment Group (SEG) in London.

London/Zurich, August 24, 2001

UBS AG"

 

It doesnt really say much but I was surprised to find that Al had any kind of connection with the company involved in the takeover. Let the conspiracy theories begin.

 

 

 

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Could someone please expand on the "casino" theory?

 

I remember some talk perhaps a year or more ago that permission was being sought to build a casino in Newcastle, and that the club had some involvement. As I didn't hear much after that I assumed it had failed the approval process.

 

But is that really the case? Casino's are absolute cash cows - if that's on the agenda then we really don't need to speculate, do we? Man U and Chelski have shown that spin-off investments are the way of the future, and 'Goal!' proved we are not averse to getting on board...?

 

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"Alan Shearer signs with the Sports and Entertainment Group of UBS

UBS announces today that it has the support of former England football captain and Newcastle United star, Alan Shearer, strengthening its commitment to building a globally strong Sports and Entertainment Group. UBS aims to utilise Alan Shearer's experience to help the Sports and Entertainment Group raise UBS' profile amongst other professional sportsmen.

 

These clients' strongest earning power often falls over a limited period of time. With a detailed understanding of their requirements both in the short-term and the long-term, UBS can build a package of financial solutions that best suit its clients' needs. "We want our clients to make the most of their talent while we work carefully and quietly in the wings  to ensure that the income generated by their success is converted into lasting wealth," states Neil Grainger, head of the Sports and Entertainment Group (SEG) in London.

London/Zurich, August 24, 2001

UBS AG"

 

It sounds like shearer is more of a representative than a client but I still think its very interesting that he would be involved with the company heading the takeover. Probably just a coincidence, but maybe not.

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Well i think the idea is that as China and the 'emerging markets' to give them their financial term continue to grow, so does their GDP and hence their spending power. I think the idea is to establish the football brands now so that they take advantage of the new welath that will inevitably trickle down from the current holders (ie the super rich). No one has cracked making enormous profits yet as that is to come in the future i guess.

 

Otherwise, why the hell is all this foreign money (generally, not football) pouring in now?

 

 

Why would China for example spend their extra disposable income on a football club they have no real affinity for from a far flung land? And if they did would they do this year after year, generation after generation like a born and bread Geordie would with Newcastle for example? At top whack prices too?

 

How much would it cost a football club to trade with China for example? Would the profits be enough to make it worth while? Bearing in mind they are starting out from scratch, a market doesn't exist, they have to create one or carve one out?

 

Why would China's football associations allow a foreign club to claim the disposable income of their football fans? They won't, they'll use the economic growth to seed their own game.

 

I can see China paying mega bucks to big name clubs from Europe to play a Chinese side in the hope that their own fans start to get an interest in their own game or the paying club for example, but where do NUFC fit into that? We made nothing from our Far East tour a few years back. Man Utd haven't made much either from their various tours, well they have but it's all went back into player wages.

 

Football has a ceiling, unlike normal businesses. They grow from within. There is no profit in football, the more you earn, the more you spend. It's a vicious circle. If club's want to become part of the business food chain and become viable business models they need to cut operating costs.

 

But they can't because fans won't turn up to watch donkeys playing and players won't join a club for peanuts.

 

 

To the bit in bold Grass i say open your eyes, this is what is happening all around us this week. The smell of money all over football, expensive coca cola ads, ridiculous sponsorship restrictions and milllions of pounds knocking about everywhere.

 

Everyone in business is looking at where the next spurt of growth is coming from and what are the vehicles to make money out of it. Emerging markets in asia and football are areas of key economic growth. Believe me they are, i dont even need to make a case for it now, its a reality. There are areas closer to home that mean increased money flowing into football. Its why the world cup is so important to FIFA.

 

Try not to mix up analysis with aspirations, we all have an idea of how things should be but people who are succesful and win tend to know how things are going to be.

 

Your questions at the top of the post suggest you dont think the future value of the game will grow, i say that all consumer spending is predicted to rise in these markets and football is expected to take a share. At a certain level, that means hedge funds could be interested.

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Could someone please expand on the "casino" theory?

 

I remember some talk perhaps a year or more ago that permission was being sought to build a casino in Newcastle, and that the club had some involvement. As I didn't hear much after that I assumed it had failed the approval process.

 

But is that really the case? Casino's are absolute cash cows - if that's on the agenda then we really don't need to speculate, do we? Man U and Chelski have shown that spin-off investments are the way of the future, and 'Goal!' proved we are not averse to getting on board...?

 

 

we're on a national shortlist of 8 for the casino. the govt will decide who gets it and they'll probably choose blackpool.

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