Bellis80

I think I he struggles a bit mentally. The red before the last cup final was madness, and uncharacteristic, and it looked like he might be the England goalie just before the last world cup and he chucked two in at Wembley. And unless he’s never kicked a ball at all in training it can’t be that bad to be a technical issue.

It’s interesting people think he’ll be better coming for balls over the top to Salah when the last time he did it he got sent off.

That is madness. Even if Dubravka is playing the cup games having a goalie only playing one game in weeks when the other goalie isn’t any better at the moment is daft.

I can’t remember but used to have a lot longer than 11 days to renew as well didn’t you?

It’s more that it makes so little difference there is no need to do it.

Putting them up every summer while they still don’t have a sponsor on the training kit is taking the piss.

No but Brighton are better than us because they batter us regularly.

He’s so bad and if he has any decision to make it’s usually the wrong one but after the red card yesterday he was the only one switched on and trying to organise people. Which is a credit to him and very worrying about the rest of them.

Personally I don’t think the atmosphere at home has got much worse. But everyone else thinks it has and the only thing that has changed recently is the ballot and season ticket holders not being members. So it’s something to do with that or the team just being worse and is fuck all we can do about that.

It probably isn’t the reason but I think it’s reasonable to suggest a season ticket holder is likely to know people that are desperate to go rather than a randomer getting in through a ballot. Same with away tickets. It wasn’t really right how people were passing them on but they were going to people who were desperate to go and making the most effort.

It’s getting worse and, probably coincidentally, 30,000 people had memberships taken away from them at the same time as well as the ballot.

Away ends are way worse now since they were stopped passing tickets on as well. He’s got a point.

You wait and take what you can get like loads of people had to do previously when you couldn’t get one.

In relation to cup final tickets I don’t think it is unfair. A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental. Members want loyalty points but the loyalty points for away games weren’t considered at all. And they want access to away games which would mean taking tickets away from those with loyalty points as well. Nearly all the arguments for members, other than a waiting list, is them wanting the benefits of a season ticket by taking the same away from season ticket holders.

Other clubs do it because it makes more money and they don’t have many season ticket holders so they can offer an attractive membership that can offer cup final tickets. We have more or as many as any cup final allocation so can’t do it. Season tickets are cheaper because you’re paying for every game months in advance with no idea what day or time the game will be. i understand why people who gave up season tickets and are still desperate to go to games aren’t happy, and there should be a way of putting them ahead if more season tickets come up, but they knew exactly how the system worked. It’s the reason most people kept them when it was no fun going.

Chelsea and Liverpool can both allocate more tickets to members because they don’t have many season ticket holders. If every season ticket holder took a cup final ticket they would still have 10k spare near enough. They can offer an attractive membership scheme without affecting people that go all the time. It’s not the same here. The thinking that season ticket holders are just entitled to their own seat for 19 games a season when they’re forking out months in advance for games they have no idea what day or time they will kick off (and the cup scheme has forced them to do the same for cup games as well) is mental.

I think it’s more a case of have we ever played as well as we can do in an away game against a good side? Even playing well without getting a result? Only the Arsenal cup game I think and maybe the game at Anfield where Isak had one disallowed. To be so good at home and still not be going and laying a glove on the better teams is frustrating.

I didn’t think anyone saw those as big games but yes they played well in those.

Apart from Arsenal away I can’t remember any big away game we’ve played well in (PSG was a gutsy effort but they had a million chances before the penalty). And it’s worrying how we don’t seem to have learnt anything from them.

The membership scheme is tiered. It’s just tiered with season ticket holders and those with loyalty points at the top of it so people don’t like it.

That was part of the details for season ticket holders when signing up though. So could only read to me like you’re not losing anything by transferring the ticket. I’d be throwing everything at them.

I’d be taking it further if I was in that position having transferred a ticket. This is from the site when the cup scheme started. TRANSFERRING TICKETS Season ticket holders will be able to transfer tickets to eligible registered family members or friends if they are unable to attend a match. Eligibility to access future rounds/finals will remain with the original season ticket holder.

I was thinking in England but if the two best examples are clubs that built stadiums smaller than their old one my point stands.

In theory it could but every new ground I remember has thought that and it hasn’t happened.

I agree. But people shouldn’t be using an improved atmosphere as a reason to move as it’s never happened. The argument about the old atmosphere also doesn’t make much sense to me. The 80s and early 90s in English football were the worst attendances there had ever been but the atmosphere was better? Not having it unless people kicking fuck out of each other and people getting set on fire is what people want again.