Village Idiot Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why is country shortening such a bad thing in English? It isn't the case in Spanish. Still remember the cold looks when I said "Paki" in my first vacation in England. I understand stuff like "Jap" has baggage from WWII, but the others? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's about cultural associations generated by the use of the word rather than the etymology of the word itself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I've said it before like but I don't really know (or give a shit) why some words are offensive and some aren't, I just toe the line and go with what's acceptable. It's pretty clear what is and isn't acceptable today too so ignorance is hardly an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I just toe the line and go with what's acceptable. Limey pussy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why is country shortening such a bad thing in English? It isn't the case in Spanish. Still remember the cold looks when I said "Paki" in my first vacation in England. I understand stuff like "Jap" has baggage from WWII, but the others? It really is quite bizarre, but basically come down to the point where if enough people use a name in a negative way, then the name itself becomes a term of abuse. Paki being the easiest way to refer to Pakistanis (and ultimately any south asian person), was used more in a derogatory manner and in hate speech rather than perfectly innocent ways (due in large part to increased immigration into the country), so became connected with racists, casual or otherwise. Hell even personal names can get tarred. I wonder if Joey is becoming an acceptable baby name again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's the "banter" comments I'm referring to. People just can't understand why using a word referring to a group of people in a negative sense is wrong. Besides, the FA have already set a precedent when they fined Macheda. I agree; Some clearly don't see certain terms as quite as offensive as others do, though it's a hazy line in many ways. Paki, Jap, and going to the chinkies etc were only fairly recently dropped from what was classed as acceptable. Though they're in essence just country names, somehow the negative connotations have removed them from what is widely classed as acceptable. Spaz, mong, and flid are still terms used widely in banter, but I really struggle with them, and I'm not sure why really. Taff? Jock? Acceptable or not? In the real world i don't know anyone who doesn't refer to a chinese takeaway as a chinkies or a corner shop as a paki shop (including the Indian owner of my local corner shop who is the most racist person towards pakistanis i've ever encountered, hates them with a passion). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why is country shortening such a bad thing in English? It isn't the case in Spanish. Still remember the cold looks when I said "Paki" in my first vacation in England. I understand stuff like "Jap" has baggage from WWII, but the others? Australian cricket commentators on tv always refer to the pakistani team as pakis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why is country shortening such a bad thing in English? It isn't the case in Spanish. Still remember the cold looks when I said "Paki" in my first vacation in England. I understand stuff like "Jap" has baggage from WWII, but the others? Australian cricket commentators on tv always refer to the pakistani team as pakis. Not sure Australian cricket commentators are the best source for inspiration on race relations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yeap Australia isn't exactly the most tolerant of countries towards foreigners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 If they are using it on Tv down there- It obviously hasnt got the racist meaning it has here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's the "banter" comments I'm referring to. People just can't understand why using a word referring to a group of people in a negative sense is wrong. Besides, the FA have already set a precedent when they fined Macheda. I agree; Some clearly don't see certain terms as quite as offensive as others do, though it's a hazy line in many ways. Paki, Jap, and going to the chinkies etc were only fairly recently dropped from what was classed as acceptable. Though they're in essence just country names, somehow the negative connotations have removed them from what is widely classed as acceptable. sp**, mong, and flid are still terms used widely in banter, but I really struggle with them, and I'm not sure why really. Taff? Jock? Acceptable or not? In the real world i don't know anyone who doesn't refer to a chinese takeaway as a chinkies or a corner shop as a paki shop (including the Indian owner of my local corner shop who is the most racist person towards pakistanis i've ever encountered, hates them with a passion). Everybody you know says that? That's a bit weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Think i got stuck with this 'cliffy' character on the way back from Bruges. Oh my days what a fucking lunatic. Spotted us in Brussels train station and literally wouldnt stop chatting shit to us all the way back to Holland, he kept telling us he'd been yarked by a group of lads in Brussels as his face was all fucked. Didnt even have a ticket for the train but managed to get to Amsterdam. Ran away from him in the end. Amazes me how these people actually manage to find their way to SJP never mind fucking Belgium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broonalegeordie Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 I remember John The Badge making old Cliffy cry by singing 'Cliffy is a mackem' on one trip! If memory serves me right Cliffy had 3 cats. Toon, Magpie, Geordie! (this was circa 2005, so he may no longer have these) edit - Imagine being Cliffy's cat!! :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 Eric Abidal cleared to play football again by his doctors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted December 18, 2012 Share Posted December 18, 2012 You don't really get involved in a conversation as such with Cliffy as he just kind of talks at you and repeats the same thing over and over again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 It's the "banter" comments I'm referring to. People just can't understand why using a word referring to a group of people in a negative sense is wrong. Besides, the FA have already set a precedent when they fined Macheda. I agree; Some clearly don't see certain terms as quite as offensive as others do, though it's a hazy line in many ways. Paki, Jap, and going to the chinkies etc were only fairly recently dropped from what was classed as acceptable. Though they're in essence just country names, somehow the negative connotations have removed them from what is widely classed as acceptable. Spaz, mong, and flid are still terms used widely in banter, but I really struggle with them, and I'm not sure why really. Taff? Jock? Acceptable or not? In the real world i don't know anyone who doesn't refer to a chinese takeaway as a chinkies or a corner shop as a paki shop (including the Indian owner of my local corner shop who is the most racist person towards pakistanis i've ever encountered, hates them with a passion). God, not this debate again, it's like we're back in 1985. Both words have derogatory connotations based on someone's race and are unacceptable. It's not that hard to grasp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Something weird happening in Barcelona, the club have suspended all of today's Christmas events and player interviews. Messi sold to City :frantic: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Something weird happening in Barcelona, the club have suspended all of today's Christmas events and player interviews. Messi sold to City :frantic: Renaming of the city to Messilona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Oh fucking christ. Word that Vilanova has relapsed of his cancer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Widely reported that that's the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Shit Here's an article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2250503/Vilanova-steps-Barcelona-coach-tumor-relapse.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Looks likely he'll step down. Can't blame him really. Pep to step back in until end of the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Club will release a statement later today, suppose Roura will take charge of the team this weekend and then we'll look for an interim manager over the winter break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 19, 2012 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Get well soon, helpfully they spotted it in time and he gets through it again. On a more practical note, who is going to take charge? Pep wouldn't come back yet would he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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