Interpolic Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 As I said in the other thread, I think Tiote can get back to a point where his general play is acceptable again pretty sharpish now that he's surrounded by better players and we're in better form, however I'm not sure that him playing like an idiot will be so quickly reversible. So that's the daft fouls, the needless booking every game, the dawdling on the ball, basically doing anything other than passing the ball quickly and simply when he has it and (calmly) pressuring for it when he hasn't. That's his only role and if he's not doing it adequately then we can do better, whether within the squad or by replacing him in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Tiote's passing is fucking woeful this season man. If it's not simple and it's not backwards or to the side, he'll find a way to fuck it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Waste of space in games like this and always is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Did alright. Think I may have been overly harsh on that tackle, looked a sending off to me, apparently he touched the ball, I didn't see it. Anyway it's a risky tackle to make, on a yellow that's dangerous and the way the ref was paid off I'm surprised he didn't go for it. General all round play was average, in a more aggressive and fast paced game I doubt he'd have stayed on the pitch, I've no confidence in him in that respect, can't believe Pardew has either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Did alright. Think I may have been overly harsh on that tackle, looked a sending off to me, apparently he touched the ball, I didn't see it. Anyway it's a risky tackle to make, on a yellow that's dangerous and the way the ref was paid off I'm surprised he didn't go for it. General all round play was average, in a more aggressive and fast paced game I doubt he'd have stayed on the pitch, I've no confidence in him in that respect, can't believe Pardew has either. The tackle he got booked for was right beneath me and I didn't think he touched the ball, was a cynical foul to stop them breaking clear and was a definite card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't like to keep bringing up stats, but I feel it's necessary here. Perch certainly keeps hold of the ball a lot better than Tioté. Perch: Pass completion this season - 88.8% Dispossessed per game - 0.3 Turnovers per game - 0.4 Key passes per game - 0.5 Tioté: Pass completion - 83.6% Dispossessed per game - 1.6 Turnovers per game - 1 Key Passes per game - 0.6 I'm not saying Perch is a better/more effective player here, but he keeps the ball a lot better than Tioté does. Perch has played a few games at centre half, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote is lost when has possession. He holds it, panics and if it doesn't go backwards to Krul then he losses by either a weak pass or by being challenged off it. He goes in like a bulldog when he doesn't have the ball, I'm sorry but it's not acceptable, I'd rather have Perch in his place though I think Anita is more deserving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Thought he played alright actually. Would've preferred Anita but Tiote got about and put in some good tackles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't like to keep bringing up stats, but I feel it's necessary here. Perch certainly keeps hold of the ball a lot better than Tioté. Perch: Pass completion this season - 88.8% Dispossessed per game - 0.3 Turnovers per game - 0.4 Key passes per game - 0.5 Tioté: Pass completion - 83.6% Dispossessed per game - 1.6 Turnovers per game - 1 Key Passes per game - 0.6 I'm not saying Perch is a better/more effective player here, but he keeps the ball a lot better than Tioté does. Perch has played a few games at centre half, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference. How many passes does Tiote make per game? People say his passes are simple, backwards and square. I'd like to see the distance compared to Perch. I'm certain Tiote makes more passes than Perch and they're more ambitious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Did alright. Think I may have been overly harsh on that tackle, looked a sending off to me, apparently he touched the ball, I didn't see it. Anyway it's a risky tackle to make, on a yellow that's dangerous and the way the ref was paid off I'm surprised he didn't go for it. General all round play was average, in a more aggressive and fast paced game I doubt he'd have stayed on the pitch, I've no confidence in him in that respect, can't believe Pardew has either. The tackle he got booked for was right beneath me and I didn't think he touched the ball, was a cynical foul to stop them breaking clear and was a definite card. He did touch the ball though, that's actually a fact Great tackle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I don't like to keep bringing up stats, but I feel it's necessary here. Perch certainly keeps hold of the ball a lot better than Tioté. Perch: Pass completion this season - 88.8% Dispossessed per game - 0.3 Turnovers per game - 0.4 Key passes per game - 0.5 Tioté: Pass completion - 83.6% Dispossessed per game - 1.6 Turnovers per game - 1 Key Passes per game - 0.6 I'm not saying Perch is a better/more effective player here, but he keeps the ball a lot better than Tioté does. Perch has played a few games at centre half, but it shouldn't make that much of a difference. How many passes does Tiote make per game? People say his passes are simple, backwards and square. I'd like to see the distance compared to Perch. I'm certain Tiote makes more passes than Perch and they're more ambitious. That in itself is probably a weakness for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote has to do what he did for his first 6 months here and keep his play as simple as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Heard him being booed at one point - didn't think the Ukrainians had that many there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote plays Hollywood balls and it's all "I wish he would keep it simple and do what he's good at", he keeps it simple and does what he's good at and "he's playing it too simple and he's been booked, he shouldn't be tackling any more". I agree that in games like that at home Anita should be ahead of him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote plays Hollywood balls and it's all "I wish he would keep it simple and do what he's good at", he keeps it simple and does what he's good at and "he's playing it too simple and he's been booked, he shouldn't be tackling any more". I agree that in games like that at home Anita should be ahead of him like. Same here. I'm just not convinced Pardew could get it to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Just had a look a Stats Zone. Perch rarely makes more than 30-45 passes. Tiote is 50-65 game-in-game-out. Always has more successful passes than Perch to go with his higher pass failure rate.Nearly all of Perch's passes are backwards and very short. I've always said Tiote gets criticised for not hiding and trying to make things happen. I do agree Anita would've been better y'day but Tiote had a decent game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote was pretty decent I thought, other than his obligatory lunatic tackle. Maybe Anita would have been better, who knows but that doesn't mean Tiote was bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote had a terrible game man, how did he not get sent off?! He kept running away from the ref so that probs helped Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 First they came for Simpson, then Williamson, then Jonas, now Tiote. He was fully decent. Against Spurs Cabaye should've got sent off but nobody used that as a stick to beat him with. Straight red all day. Tiote's always collected yellow cards, always has and probably will. We now have real options so it shouldn't be such a problem but now it's a heinous crime to pick up yellows? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote was pretty decent I thought, other than his obligatory lunatic tackle. Maybe Anita would have been better, who knows but that doesn't mean Tiote was bad. Yeah, I think point people are making is that we don't need a DM at home though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Tiote was pretty decent I thought, other than his obligatory lunatic tackle. Maybe Anita would have been better, who knows but that doesn't mean Tiote was bad. Yeah, I think point people are making is that we don't need a DM at home though. Against a better side, we could've conceded on the break after he went off. Nothing wrong with playing him for an hour in the hope we don't concede in that period. We created some good chances regardless so it's not a major issue. Anita's quick but is he effective at breaking up counters in the PL? Plus, some are saying Perch should've started which is just BS. Anita instead of Tiote? Perhaps. Doesn't mean Tiote had a terrible game like some have said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'd rather have Tiote over Anita than Jonas over Marv tbf. Even at home we need some real cover in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 As someone stated, apart from the looney tackle he had a very good game last night. He broke up a lot of their play and his energy and bite was cracking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 In general I think he tries to play positive football with regard to his passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 People seem to try and use his yellow cards against him every game, it doesn't mean you played badly because you got booked ffs, especially as a defensive mid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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