Guest firetotheworks Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 From the outside looking in, I think Spurs can afford to lose Kyle Walker, like. Being kind, there's nothing irreplaceable about his game, especially with a coach as good as Pochettino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 To be fair, Spurs should be expecting to pay top 3-4 wages now if they're to keep those. Why should they hang around on £60-70k there when they could be getting double that at a club in the same bracket for doing the same job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 He'll be paying Levy 70k a week if he doesn't watch out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 To be fair, Spurs should be expecting to pay top 3-4 wages now if they're to keep those. Why should they hang around on £60-70k there when they could be getting double that at a club in the same bracket for doing the same job? Agree with this. Also they need to start winning trophies soon imo, if they want to keep some of their star players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Talk of Dier wanting out as well as he wants to play in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 It would be interesting to see what our resident Spurs fans think, but for me Dier's another one they could afford to lose and improve upon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 It would be interesting to see what our resident Spurs fans think, but for me Dier's another one they could afford to lose and improve upon. Yes and no, Dier's adaptability is fantastic and he can play them all well. In a team he's probably replaceable but in a squad and over a season he's invaluable.........or at least more important than he may appear at first sight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Talk of Dier wanting out as well as he wants to play in midfield. Fairly shit reason IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Didn't Dier boot off a while ago about playing right back because he wanted to play centre half? Seem to remember him opting out of Under 21 duty or something because of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Talk of Dier wanting out as well as he wants to play in midfield. He does most of the time, if Alderweireld and Vertonghen are fit and they play 4 at the back. Unless he means further forward than as a DM where he generally plays now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 Couple of papers are saying it was a row with Poch over his fitness and performances in training, as to why he wants to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 From the outside looking in, I think Spurs can afford to lose Kyle Walker, like. Being kind, there's nothing irreplaceable about his game, especially with a coach as good as Pochettino. It's being discussed quite a bit this week on our boards. On the one hand you don't want to break up a good thing, but if one player had to get his head turned then Walker wouldn't be a bad choice. Strong and fast, but not as natural a footballer as Trippier, and we have a kid coming through who might make the grade. Walker's somebody we might be able to get a shit-ton of cash for from somebody like City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 To be fair, Spurs should be expecting to pay top 3-4 wages now if they're to keep those. Why should they hang around on £60-70k there when they could be getting double that at a club in the same bracket for doing the same job? Agree with this. Also they need to start winning trophies soon imo, if they want to keep some of their star players. Yes, but it's not fair, is it? That's precisely the fucking point. Man U are now paying Lingard 100K a week. Liverpool are now paying Lovren 100K a week. How the fuck do we compete with that? Supposedly the only Spurs players getting six figures are Lloris and Kane, with Aldeweireld trying to get a raise. Chelsea, Man U, Man C, Arsenal, and to an extent Liverpool, all pay their players more than we can afford. I cannot believe that there are still thoughtful, intelligent football fans that keep saying "Oh, well it's the going rate, they should be paying them that much". Well we fucking can't. What is it that you're not getting ? As for the trophies, well, yeah, I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 It would be interesting to see what our resident Spurs fans think, but for me Dier's another one they could afford to lose and improve upon. Yes and no, Dier's adaptability is fantastic and he can play them all well. In a team he's probably replaceable but in a squad and over a season he's invaluable.........or at least more important than he may appear at first sight. Yeah, he's not the best in the world, but he's extremely useful to the team as a whole. Some Spurs fans do say we could afford to lose and improve upon these players, but it's a risk. We're good enough now that the players who would improve us are likely to be out of our financial reach. Who would you buy instead of Dier? He's been with us for some time, he's well-integrated to the team and culture, and he's part of a team that has won 16 out of 19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I have trouble believing Spurs couldn't pay those type of wages, they just don't want to. You'd know more than me Leffe but considering who the owner is I have trouble believing it. Although this is the price of success, if you want to be a consistent contender for trophies you'll going to have to find a way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm guessing the new stadium is what is holding them back a bit financially. Otherwise it doesn't make sense - they're raking it in with the Premiership TV deal, will have CL income yet again, and I imagine Son being such a big star for them this season is amplifying income from the Far East too. On top of this they've barely spent anything looking at the transfer dealings, their net spend over the past 5 years is roughly nil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm guessing the new stadium is what is holding them back a bit financially. Otherwise it doesn't make sense - they're raking it in with the Premiership TV deal, will have CL income yet again, and I imagine Son being such a big star for them this season is amplifying income from the Far East too. On top of this they've barely spent anything looking at the transfer dealings, their net spend over the past 5 years is roughly nil. The numbers have been plain to see for years though. Our revenue is about 200M, Liverpool's is 300M, the other London clubs 350M, Man City's now 400M, and Man U somewhere over 500M. It's not a mystery. The other big clubs have just got more money available, for a variety of reasons. Hopefully the new stadium will increase matchday income, and we can sustain this period of success to build commercial income. Joe Lewis isn't about to come up with some magic Etihad-type sponsorship deal to bypass FFP etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I have trouble believing Spurs couldn't pay those type of wages, they just don't want to. You'd know more than me Leffe but considering who the owner is I have trouble believing it. Although this is the price of success, if you want to be a consistent contender for trophies you'll going to have to find a way. The new stadium is the way. I'm not really sure what people expect us to do. All you have to do is look at the Deloitte table, or one of those Swiss Ramble pieces. The estimated wage bill for us this year is about 120M. Four clubs will be paying over 200M, while Liverpool are probably around 165M. Compare them to the revenues above. Why are you having trouble believing this ? Again, it's in black and white. Is there a way for Joe Lewis to just do what Abramovich and the Man City guys did and throw money at everything? Maybe you know one, because I just presumed that FFP meant it wasn't going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 What I see is comparing with those teams,it is a fact that your players are MASSIVELY underpaid. I honestly think the players deserve much more given their performance are top class throughout 2 seasons. If you dont pay, they will all leave in the end. You may say Walker is expensable, but whats next? Eriksen? Alli? Son? Dembele? Alder? You have to invest and retain the players now. Or else thats it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Last I saw, they were making massive profit too. Spend it on the playing staff and I'm sure they'll all happily stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 What I see is comparing with those teams,it is a fact that your players are MASSIVELY underpaid. I honestly think the players deserve much more given their performance are top class throughout 2 seasons. If you dont pay, they will all leave in the end. You may say Walker is expensable, but whats next? Eriksen? Alli? Son? Dembele? Alder? You have to invest and retain the players now. Or else thats it. see what leffe is saying like but this is the crux of it, spurs are probably approaching a crossroads where they need to push on or it'll be this limbo forever and they'll have to replace half a team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I have trouble believing Spurs couldn't pay those type of wages, they just don't want to. You'd know more than me Leffe but considering who the owner is I have trouble believing it. Although this is the price of success, if you want to be a consistent contender for trophies you'll going to have to find a way. The new stadium is the way. I'm not really sure what people expect us to do. All you have to do is look at the Deloitte table, or one of those Swiss Ramble pieces. The estimated wage bill for us this year is about 120M. Four clubs will be paying over 200M, while Liverpool are probably around 165M. Compare them to the revenues above. Why are you having trouble believing this ? Again, it's in black and white. Is there a way for Joe Lewis to just do what Abramovich and the Man City guys did and throw money at everything? Maybe you know one, because I just presumed that FFP meant it wasn't going to happen. Sell Sissoko and thats a guaranteed saving of 24mil once the instalments stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 What I see is comparing with those teams,it is a fact that your players are MASSIVELY underpaid. I honestly think the players deserve much more given their performance are top class throughout 2 seasons. If you dont pay, they will all leave in the end. You may say Walker is expensable, but whats next? Eriksen? Alli? Son? Dembele? Alder? You have to invest and retain the players now. Or else thats it. I guess I'm on the wrong track. They deserve the money that Chelsea or Man U can pay, so we should pay everyone an extra 50K-100K per week.Start paying the youth team 20Kpw. Maybe it will all work out. Or if we can't, then just sell everybody who's any good to somebody who can afford to pay them "the market rate". I'm serious. Maybe there's something I'm missing and you're all seeing. I'm programmed to believe that you build a club sustainably, paying wages that reflect your revenue. We also have a new stadium to pay for, and I'm too tired and old to work out the intricacies of how that impacts our costs and bottom line. We pay the extra, what. 100M or so each year to bring us closer to "market rate". What happens next? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm programmed to believe that you build a club sustainably, paying wages that reflect your revenue. players aren't thought, and you've spent a decade (?) getting to this point...to see it all fall apart now would surely be devastating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 In fairness we have seen before that selling players doesn't automatically mean it all falls apart, i would argue the most important thing is keeping Pochettino. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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