Joe_F

Had a few injury problems

Oh fuck !!

The time to 'save us' spans from a period from September 4th to February 2nd. Where he can/could have appointed a proper manager.

 

He could have saved our season without even necassarily having to provide transfer funds. Could have just given a decent manager a contract.

 

The boat's pretty much sailed now, like. Cos he's been a dick and put his faith in Kinnear, our arses are going to be squeezing until the middle of May.

 

Perhaps if fans hadn't decided to protest and make the managers job unappealing then he would have appointed someone better, a few people did try and point this out at the time.

 

West Ham were in a similar position to us with the manager leaving for similar reasons, yet they seem to be doing so much better than we are and the only thing I can see that's different is their fans let the club get on with appointing a new manager and got behind him.

 

Equally, he could have still went on and appointed  decent manager and win the fans back?

 

I think he knew the shit was hitting the fan finalcially an used the fans backlash as an excuse to sell up.  Now the fat cunt is stuck with NUFC and us with him.

 

 

 

He knew from his own experience of buying the club that you don't want to walk into a club where a new manager you may not want has been handed a long term deal.

 

A far as he was concerned the club would be sold and Kinnear would do a job for 8 weeks until it went through.

 

I'm not sure how anyone can argue that if the fans didn't protest and Ashley putting the club up for sale that we would have got a better manager than Kinnear in through the door, as I've said that's the only difference between us this season and West Ham.

 

what you mean is any good manager would be put off by working for an owner like Ashley because he had been exposed as someone without the desire to capitalise on the size of the club.

 

 

 

Terim and Deuchamps were both interested at the time of Keegan walking so that doesn't quite back up your opinion.

Interested until they talked to Ashley.

Again, the West Ham situation is a shit comparison, most of their fans wanted Curbishley out or were, at very best, ambivalent to his tenure... I don't recall there being anyone on here being anything but happy with Keegan being in charge, so totally different situation, but don't let that stop you, it's almost like you're on the Ashley staff, Baggio.

 

The thing that made the manager's position at St James' untenable had nothing to do with a fucking banner and 10 year olds stood outside the ground, it was seeing the most popular and successful manager the club has had in recent times being forced to resign when it became clear he didn't have control of transfers and had been lied to when recruited. Even then, people like Fatih Terim and Van Gaal would still, seemingly, have been achievable targets who would have fitted in around the system, but did Ashley go for them? No, he went to some fucking football graveyard and dug up  , achieving what seemed impossible, in adding an even bigger fucking moron than the rest of them to our management / executive team. Try and blame the fans / players / media all you like, the buck stops at the door of Ashley and Ashley alone. He has fucked up royally, doesn't have the balls to fix it and i hope he ends up penniless because of it - the only good thing to come of this would be finding Ashley selling pirate dvds on a market stall in Tottenham - back where he fucking belongs.

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

 

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

 

From Ashley's point of view the difference being whatever he loses off the value of the club can always go back up if we get promoted, where as whatever money he puts in will just be lost.

Aye that's probably what Leeds thought.

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

 

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

 

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

 

So on top of the £40 million he's put in as working capital he puts in another £20 million in transfers and adds another £5 million (minimum ?) to the wage budget.

 

But then what? There's no saying that next year he won't have to put more money in to keep the club going and more on top of that again for transfers.

 

There's going to come a time where he thinks it isn't worth it to keep pumping his own money into the club to save it for another season.

The alternative is relegation and wiping £150mill off his asset. Which makes more sense?

he hasnt got enough to keep the majority of newcastle fans happy. the man city billionaire would be on the first stages of a backlash from us by now.

What a load of bollocks

How is 20mill going to save us anyway ? We have spent more than that in our 5yrs going backwards rapidly.

It'll buy 4 or 5 half decent players which could make the difference between finishing 3rd or 4th bottom.

Going down will make the last 5yrs look like a cakewalk.

Smith and Carroll against the mackems?

Backed by a midfield of...... fuck knows?

"But our biggest problem is a lack of strength in depth. Why wasn't it addressed by the last manager Keegan or the manager before him Allardyce?

That's precisely why KK left Joe. 

Maybe you should take it up with your best mate Ashley.

Very excited by the M'Bia news, he certainly didnt rule it out unless there are other offers on the table for him.

 

Also very impressive news about the youngsters coming on board.

 

I'm sure Jose is bluffing, theres money to spend, he's just being 'clever' with it.

God I wish I lived in your world. Is it full of cute kittens and fluffy clouds.

Excellent news that we're doing this, very pleasing to see the club pursue the youth policy.

 

 

Without wanting to switch this into something else - it does show some signs of long term planning which can only be good for the club.

 

Lets just hope they dont forget about the present.

 

The entire thing is just a total contradiction. Whilst it's blatantly obvious that Ashley has got no interests in pursuing his life as the owner of Newcastle United (today's news merely confirms that)... yet he's still got Wise and his minions on the payroll. I guess it'd just just be too much of a pisstake if he were to get rid of Wise now, given the events that led to Keegan's exit.

 

Wise et al anit doing a bad job to be fair. A bum loan doesn't change that.

Bit early for that. The time to judge will be if these youngsters make it.

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Bravery 1.

Why the f*** is he being offered a contract now.

 

He's signed up to the end of the season anyway. Let's see where we are then.

 

Another one of Ashley's brilliant decisions.

 

Maybe he is making sure Man City don't poach him in the summer?

Aye Kaka's insisting apparently.

Ashley is left with two choices give Joe a longer term deal, or sack him and try and get someone else in.

 

 

No he hasn't he can leave it as it is.

Kinnear isn't going anywhere, unless Ashley's bought the stories that JFK could be offered a job somewhere else (we couldn't be so lucky) . Like the ridiculous Sunderland link which sprang up when Keane went. Which no doubt was started by Kinnear himself.

Why the fuck is he being offered a contract now.

He's signed up to the end of the season anyway. Let's see where we are then.

Another one of Ashley's brilliant decisions.

So all the while the papers claimed we were after Riise from Roma it could well turn out to have been this guy all along? Would love it.

 

Well, no. Since Kinnear has been the one telling the press he wanted Riise I pretty much think we were after Riise.

JFK probably knows as little as we do when it comes to transfer dealings/targets and their likelihood of coming off. He takes what he's given.

Another symptom of the tremendous way forward we're taking under Ashley.

"Jô scored 14 goals in his first 18 appearances for CSKA Moscow. In the UEFA Champions League, Jo scored two goals in the matches against Inter Milan, one being in the dramatic 4-2 loss at the San Siro"

53 appearances for CSKA scoring 30 goals in total. Thought to have cost Citeh £19 mill.....all according to Wiki.

Hell of a loan deal if we could get him and Ashley would pay his wages.

And N'Zogbia picking up £30/40,000  a week (conservative estimate) , giving half hearted displays and saying he's flatttered that a "big club" like Villa is interested in him no matter what the circumstance is disgraceful.

And a bloody great slap in the face to us that pay his wages.

Once or twice I can forgive but he's a repeat offender.

Was a fkn disgrace, booing Geremi off and Zoggy on, Shay says he wants away and gets his name sang, Zoggy gets grief, we still need Zoggy to stay and he did mint when he came on yesterday.

If the club feel the fans have turned against him then they will sell him.

Comparing Given to N'Zogbia beggars belief.

geremi was booed off and zoggy was booed on, fans get what they deserve....

Aye and twats who continually slag the club off and angle for a move get what they deserve.

"Meester Ferguson"

Aye that's right Rafa he ain't no Sir

Anybody on here that can see the bigger picture rather than some crappy tabloid 'documentary' is only doing it because he's an ex Toon player.

 

Ah ok You must know him personally then. Because all I've got to go off is what I read and see. I can't argue with a picture or video of him. Or a police report for that matter. Of course a tabloid's sensational story is to be taken with a pinch of salt though.

 

But if there's a bigger picture than a man tearing the hearts of his children apart then I'm all ears.

Aye I feel sorry for them too but he's ill man probably at deaths door to take advantage of that (the program makers) was totally wrong in my opinion.

you don't really understand the "mental problems" bit do you ?

 

Course I fucking do! But he's a self-centered alcoholic that's had more chances than anyone else. Ok, let's all give him the get out clause of 'mental health problems' when in fact you're supporting him because he was a toon player 

 

My argument was for the family who have had some harsh and unfair comments about them here. Maybe you don't understand children? FFS. Let's stick up for the guilty and fuck the innocent 

 

Ridiculous shallow people.

 

I wish him well but not at the expense of others.

Aye you're about as deep as a puddle.

Anybody on here that can see the bigger picture rather than some crappy tabloid 'documentary' is only doing it because he's an ex Toon player.

Simplistic isn't the word.

Some overly harsh comments about the family here like.

 

To suggest that kids would be vindictive enough to be able to pretend to care about their dad whilst really in it for the money is shameful.

 

What's shameful is making a documentary about a bloke who clearly has mental problems, had to be rescued from an asylum to take part, and was in no fit state to make rational decisions.

Then when he inevitably pulled out to blacken his character even more than it already was. A total set up.

If he wasn't considering topping himself before this he sure as hell will be now.

Of the three kids, it was only Bianca who appeared to care.

Appeared ...spot on